The Israeli Goverment Has Become The Monster

[Argent Stonecutter]

So Betteridges law doesn't apply?

 

[Lori Claremont]

So Betteridges law doesn't apply?

In this case? Nope.

 

[Cristiano]

So Betteridges law doesn't apply?

You are absolutely right. Thread title adjusted.

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

There have been anti-Netanyahu protests in Tel Aviv this weekend, demanding his removal from office stating that he's only prolonging the war because of the corruption trial. Similar protests were in all of Israel happening.

The number of protesters all over the country is reported to be a few thousand.

 

[Beebo Brink]

Israeli military admits to posting AI photo of Lebanese journalist it killed - Truth or Fake - France 24

The Foreign Press Association has accused the Israeli military of discrediting a Lebanese journalist it killed in March, by using an AI-generated photo to present him as a "Hezbollah terrorist". The Israel Defence Forces claimed responsibility for killing Ali Shoeib in a targeted Israeli air strike in southern Lebanon. It then shared an edited photo of him on social media, overlaying his press vest with a Hezbollah uniform, saying a "press vest is just a cover for terror".

 

[Cristiano]

Israeli Defence Forces confirms photo of soldier smashing a statue of Jesus Christ in Lebanon is real

 

[Cristiano]

This is incredibly powerful, and is exactly how I feel.


View attachment 🔥🚨 Viral clip of Ana Kasparian absolutely losing it on pro-Israel activist Shabbos Kestenbaum .mp4

 

[Free]

Ana's anger over this is exactly right, but she's still a piece of shit.

 

[CronoCloud Creeggan]

I sometimes see the US/Israel relationship as being like the film My Bodyguard, except in this case the nerd has studied Krav Maga, does steroids, owns a gun, and bullies others weaker than him and gets away with it because he was bullied in the past.

 

[Cristiano]

Ana's anger over this is exactly right, but she's still a piece of shit.

I agree. I am no fan of hers - but on this issue, she has been incredibly consistent and outspoken. Meanwhile. so many people on the left are silent in the face of these attrocities - and our politicians continue to take money from AIPAC and fund these terrorists.

 

[Beebo Brink]

Meanwhile. so many people on the left are silent in the face of these attrocities - and our politicians continue to take money from AIPAC and fund these terrorists.

I feel like I'm caught in an emotional vise, with no way out, which often does paralyze my voice. Unforgivable atrocities on a variety of fronts ("both sides" is far too simplistic to describe what is happening). There are multiple Arab and Israeli factions slaughtering innocent bystanders; comparing body counts is simply not feasible or ethical.

Israel and the United States are both becoming pariah nations because of the actions of corrupt, self-serving, narcissistic leaders and their extremist supporters. I'm sure there are Israelis who deplore Netanyahu just as much as we deplore Trump, but that internal dissent doesn't stop our countries from dishonor.

 

[Cristiano]

I feel like I'm caught in an emotional vise, with no way out, which often does paralyze my voice. Unforgivable atrocities on a variety of fronts ("both sides" is far too simplistic to describe what is happening). There are multiple Arab and Israeli factions slaughtering innocent bystanders; comparing body counts is simply not feasible or ethical.

Israel and the United States are both becoming pariah nations because of the actions of corrupt, self-serving, narcissistic leaders and their extremist supporters. I'm sure there are Israelis who deplore Netanyahu just as much as we deplore Trump, but that internal dissent doesn't stop our countries from dishonor.

I just saw a segment from CNN about the overall view of Israel by Americans, and how it has changed in the past 4 years:



A 36 point drop is pretty significant. It shows why Netanyahu and his supporters have been so blatant about needing to control the narrative in the media and are purchasing everything they can get their hands on.

I understand the paralysis. I have reached a tipping point where I refuse to be silent about it any more. Are other countries also committing attocities? Yes, especially the US. I want it all to stop. No one is exempt. This is an issue of humanity. No one is more or less special. There are no "God's chosen people" and religion has been used to control people and commit atrocities for millennia. Religion is not a force for good in society. The ideas of it are nice, but it is not lived. See: the cancer that is Evangelical Christianity in America.

Netanyahu is a force of evil in this world, as are Trump and Putin. The world would be immensely better with all of them gone. Until that point, we need to fight in every way we can to stop what is happening. Yes, we feel helpless, and in many ways we are. However, we still have our voices and the masks are off about what is really happening in the world, no matter how much they try to suppress the truth.

 

[Cristiano]

 

[Ellie]

That anyone can still consider the both sides argument, now all Israel's dirty laundry's hanging on the internet for all to see, shows just how powerful Bibi's hasbro is and continues to be. Even people I respect bring it up, mostly unaware they are repeating well-know pro-genocide talking points.

After all, which country wants to rule the whole region (Greater Israel project) and is erasing all populations in their way?

Which country has imprisoned and murdered children, murdered aid workers, funded terrorists, and tortured inmates with physical & sexual abuse for decades, not to mention the skin farming activities?

Isn't all this & the rest some Nazi shit far exceeding anything we’re heard of since the Holocaust?

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

That anyone can still consider the both sides argument, now all Israel's dirty laundry's hanging on the internet for all to see, shows just how powerful Bibi's hasbro is and continues to be. Even people I respect bring it up, mostly unaware they are repeating well-know pro-genocide talking points.

After all, which country wants to rule the whole region (Greater Israel project) and is erasing all populations in their way?

Which country has imprisoned and murdered children, murdered aid workers, funded terrorists, and tortured inmates with physical & sexual abuse for decades, not to mention the skin farming activities?

Isn't all this & the rest some Nazi shit far exceeding anything we’re heard of since the Holocaust?

The answer to most of your questions actually is still clearly "both." Bibi and the IDF has proven themselves to be terrible monsters, but there really is no crime they could commit that absolve Hamas of their own crimes. I get why it might be tempting to want the world simplifying belief only one side is evil, but the facts are against you on that point. Palestinian civilians deserve a lot of compassion but I can't stomach trying to white wash what Hamas has done because it fits into a general narrative people want to push.

I think wars of this nature basically always have an evil side. They don't always have a good side.

 

[Argent Stonecutter]

but there really is no crime they could commit that absolve Hamas of their own crimes

Who cares? That's a deflection.

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

Who cares? That's a deflection.

In many cases, yes, but not when you put my statement in context. I was responding to Ellie's post which seemed to be directly downplaying what Hamas has done and promised to do. It would be a deflection if I was trying to defend the Israeli government, which I was not. Don't get me wrong, Ellie had a point, but I think they took it too far, so I had to say something.

 

[Cristiano]

In many cases, yes, but not when you put my statement in context. I was responding to Ellie's post which seemed to be directly downplaying what Hamas has done and promised to do. It would be a deflection if I was trying to defend the Israeli government, which I was not. Don't get me wrong, Ellie had a point, but I think they took it too far, so I had to say something.

I am not excusing Hamas, which has committed its own atrocities (propped up by Netanyahu), but to Ellie's points, she did not go too far. There is no "both sides"-ing this at this point. Hamas did not rise in a vacuum. The scale of what Israel has done with impunity (much of which we are only finding out more about now that the curtain has been lifted) for decades is truly frightening.

 

[Mona Eberhardt]

There have been anti-Netanyahu protests in Tel Aviv this weekend, demanding his removal from office stating that he's only prolonging the war because of the corruption trial. Similar protests were in all of Israel happening.

The number of protesters all over the country is reported to be a few thousand.

None of them are about the genocide, though. They're only about him and about the financial cost of the war. See the relevant polls.

 

[Mona Eberhardt]

In many cases, yes, but not when you put my statement in context. I was responding to Ellie's post which seemed to be directly downplaying what Hamas has done and promised to do. It would be a deflection if I was trying to defend the Israeli government, which I was not. Don't get me wrong, Ellie had a point, but I think they took it too far, so I had to say something.

There's no room anymore for the "but Hamas" canard. To continue bothsidesing it constitutes whitewashing and - whether you like it or not - endorsing the genocide. As Cristiano said, Hamas did not emerge in a vacuum; we know it was propped up by Netanyahu himself so he could have a strawman, a non-credible opponent that he could convincingly present to the outside world in order to pretend he's the "good guy".