Democratic Party Presidential Candidates for 2020

[Cristalle]

 

[Cristalle]

 

[Free]

The 1500 sweaters knitted *for* Bernie don't count.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

That's interesting, but not at all surprising to me, especially the part about CEO's of major Minnesotan companies donating to her regardless of their political leaning. Traditionally, most companies in Minnesota lean liberal even if they also have some Republican leanings and by that I mean traditional Republican views, not the crazy whacked-out insanity that the party has become. For the sake of argument, I'll call them pre-Reagan Republicans.

As an example of someone (not a CEO) who I think represents a traditional Republican in Minnesota we have Arne Carlson. He won governorship as a Republican. Since his retirement he has broken numerous times with the new crazy republicans (endorsing Obama and HRC) teaming with Walter Mondale to oppose a Voter ID amendment and to end a state shutdown). He was banned from participating for two years in party events with the newfandangled RNC.

Many of our CEO's are of a similar nature, though, I'm sure, of course that is changing with this political climate and with the nature of corporations. We've had greedy, soul-sucking, company-destroying, at the Govt teat CEO's in the past as well (Al Checchi of Northwest Airlines, for one), but they were the exception, never the rule. One thing that has been altering it has been the practice of non-native CEO's company hopping with no experience in their new company field, put in just to cut employees, costs and send the money upward, when in the past our CEO's were homegrown and worked their way up the ranks in their given company and their attitudes reflected that.

Having said that, we still do retain that general atmosphere, and many CEO's of that dual nature, but like anywhere else, the Ayn Randian nonsense of people like Tim Pawlenty, Scott Walker etc...have made some inroads here, as well, more politically than socially and driven by a very select sector of business owners I will reference below. They haven't yet been able to breach tradition. There is a cabal of rather dark money that emanates from one particular group of business/political leaders. I'm pretty sure they haven't and wouldn't touch Klobuchar with a dime of their money as they are quite extreme in their Dickensian beliefs. If we were able to look at their spending, I'm confident it would have been spent on her opponents and that the businesses that support her represent those companies that haven't turned to the dark side.

 

[Cristalle]

 

[Cristalle]

Tangent, but entertaining:

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

Tangent, but entertaining:

He makes a valid point. It's true that most Americans favor Medicare for all, but only 2% favor it when they learn that Medicare for all will cause the dead to rise from their graves and devour the living.

 

[Free]

2% favor it

Fucking zombie vote. They're such libertarians.

 

[Brian]

ADOS may have began a couple of years ago as a little known group with hopes of expecting reparations possible by limiting eligibility, but it was always completely fucking ridiculous in its assertion of different levels of deserved blackness. The mild explosion in social media came immediately following Democratic Party candidates announcing their intentions to run.
They have only one main political goal - getting black people to not vote. Claiming not to be bots or Russian influenced is bullshit. Most of the accounts that showed up on Twitter were either new, or completely dormant until last couple of months, with extremely low following either way.

Some of the best Twitter threads for this will be from
Black Aziz aNANsi (@Freeyourmindkid) | Twitter

NewDemRicoP (@reesetheone1) | Twitter
and
ADOS is a cop!!! (@Bravewriting) | Twitter

Search them on your own. They have been dominating their topics lately. Best to think twice before telling so many black people in the US that their blackness doesn't measure up enough to matter.

 

[Cristalle]

I'm not going to argue about the point about levels of blackness, because I find that unsavory. But those people are not bots. That video is of the creator of the ADOS term and he is even organizing a conference around it. It has balls to do with Russia; it's about black political maturity, to finally demand material and tangible gains for black people in return for black votes. That is a separate but related issue that has to be addressed. Their goal is not "not voting" per se, although some of them will do that. But they want to see real gains for their votes. That's more than understandable. They want planks that address their issues, to help build black wealth.

 

[Cristalle]

 

[Brian]

I'm not going to argue about the point about levels of blackness, because I find that unsavory. But those people are not bots. That video is of the creator of the ADOS term and he is even organizing a conference around it. It has balls to do with Russia; it's about black political maturity, to finally demand material and tangible gains for black people in return for black votes. That is a separate but related issue that has to be addressed. Their goal is not "not voting" per se, although some of them will do that. But they want to see real gains for their votes. That's more than understandable. They want planks that address their issues, to help build black wealth.

It is well understood that there are members who are real people.
That the group has been heavily compromised by the same Russian interests which has been interfering in our elections is undeniable.

It has nothing to do with helping black people. It expects people to have ancestry to specific US slaves brought here from Africa. It is now solely concentrated on dividing black people in the US politically. They endorse no one because no one can possibly single out certain descendants who have no equal possibility of identifying themselves, have no unique experiences from other blacks or poc, for targeted issues.

They have no interests in anything that would be universally beneficial to black people or other poc. They are overwhelmingly trying to promote not voting.
Stop being an evil piece of fucking shit.

 

[Cristalle]

It is well understood that there are members who are real people.
That the group has been heavily compromised by the same Russian interests which has been interfering in our elections is undeniable.

It has nothing to do with helping black people. It expects people to have ancestry to specific US slaves brought here from Africa. It is now solely concentrated on dividing black people in the US politically. They endorse no one because no one can possibly single out certain descendants who have no equal possibility of identifying themselves, have no unique experiences from other blacks or poc, for targeted issues.

They have no interests in anything that would be universally beneficial to black people or other poc. They are overwhelmingly trying to promote not voting.
Stop being an evil piece of fucking shit.

You know, Brian, you are a prime example of why the people that do advocate against voting for the Democratic Party have a point. You are the "evil piece of fucking shit" that doesn't care about their point of view and interests at all. I don't share their reasoning, but I at least try to understand it.

The reason why they focus on black descendants of slavery is because that class of people has been shit on since 1607, that class of people who built this country but got nothing but hate for it. They are the ones who have been demoralized, oppressed and robbed of wealth for centuries. They don't have generational wealth. There is a strong moral argument to demanding an agenda that benefits black descendants of slaves and there is a reckoning that has to come on that issue. You don't care about that, though, because it doesn't affect you. Why should they vote for your preferred candidate, if nothing changes for them? You can continue to keep your head up your ass on this. It will only get worse the next time they trot out more shills for the status quo.

 

[Free]

I can tell this is a thread discussing Democratic Party 2020 presidential candidates, because it keeps veering away from discussing Democratic Party 2020 presidential candidates and into shit kicking.

 

[Soen Eber]

As an example of someone (not a CEO) who I think represents a traditional Republican in Minnesota we have Arne Carlson. He won governorship as a Republican.

Just about the only Republican I ever voted for, along with Durenberger and Ramsted. I wish those days would come back.

the Ayn Randian nonsense of people like Tim Pawlenty, Scott Walker etc...have made some inroads here, as well, more politically than socially and driven by a very select sector of business owners I will reference below. They haven't yet been able to breach tradition. There is a cabal of rather dark money that emanates from one particular group of business/political leaders.

Could you detail who these are so I can be sure not to support them, please?

 

[Brian]

You know, Brian, you are a prime example of why the people that do advocate against voting for the Democratic Party have a point. You are the "evil piece of fucking shit" that doesn't care about their point of view and interests at all. I don't share their reasoning, but I at least try to understand it.

The reason why they focus on black descendants of slavery is because that class of people has been shit on since 1607, that class of people who built this country but got nothing but hate for it. They are the ones who have been demoralized, oppressed and robbed of wealth for centuries. They don't have generational wealth. There is a strong moral argument to demanding an agenda that benefits black descendants of slaves and there is a reckoning that has to come on that issue. You don't care about that, though, because it doesn't affect you. Why should they vote for your preferred candidate, if nothing changes for them? You can continue to keep your head up your ass on this. It will only get worse the next time they trot out more shills for the status quo.

The class of people that receive that hate, who have been demoralized, oppressed and robbed are those identified as being black today. Nobody checks heritage before claiming the apartment has been rented, the job has been taken, calls the police on them, etc. They identify skin color.

The person that started the group has ancestry of slaves directly coming from Africa of only 14%. He has more European/Irish. If only that mattered, his loss from heritage is more than offset by what he gained from it.

Fact is, specific heritage doesn't matter today. Skin color does. The alienation being proposed is a hateful leveling of superiority.
And of course, the main backing he has from the rest of the public is from those happy to see black people avoiding the elections, primaries included. There is heavy support for Harris among black people, and that's what is driving it.

ETA: I gave you Twitter timelines to look through. I know that isn't a determinant but it should give you an idea and show you how offensive that group and their arguments are.

 

[Cristalle]

They make the distinction because immigrants may not deserve reparations. Any discussion about reparations ought to have some analysis of lineage, especially since many immigrants intermarried with American descendants of slavery. Immigrants like my family shouldn't be asking for reparations, but someone who can trace their lineage back to the Civil War can and likely should. What reparations should look like is a concept worthy of discussion and that's what is happening - just not on Twitter. I think a credible case can be made for any immigrants who arrived here during Jim Crow, but in what form/how much are the questions. I find the nativist tone of the discussion disheartening because there is no privilege to being from another country. But I still see their point. Immigrants still benefit from the work that their forbears did. We benefit from their struggles for civil rights. Every minority benefits from work done on behalf of blacks. Immigrants in the last 40 years probably don't need reparations, and if they do, it should pale in comparison to that of descendants of slaves.

I looked at your Twitter links and they're not determinative at all. There are going to be recent accounts, sure, and there may be bots in there. There may be accounts like mine, old but with very little activity because I just don't like Twitter. But it's much bigger than that. It's certainly not all on Twitter. Even so, the rightness of it may trump the divisiveness of it all. There is naturally going to be resistance to the idea of any kind of reparations, even among white liberals. But that conflict is going to happen, it's not going to go away. Every other minority has gotten reparations for specific injustices except blacks and their descendants. That isn't going to be tolerated forever.

 

[Brian]

And for the Democratic Party primary to turn into all out open season -
Bernie announces

 

[Spirits Rising]

And for the Democratic Party primary to turn into all out open season -
Bernie announces

Seriously?

He needs to fuck off.

ETA: I'm all for more progressive candidates - really I am. The problem is that both those candidates and the general voting public need to face reality.

If they can't? Don't ruin the whole fucking thing for the rest of the populace.

 

[Brian]

Seriously?

He needs to fuck off.

ETA: I'm all for more progressive candidates - really I am. The problem is that both those candidates and the general voting public need to face reality.

If they can't? Don't ruin the whole fucking thing for the rest of the populace.

I don't think HRC has any intentions of running.
One thing I haven't seen is HRC voters from Dem primary saying they've changed their minds about her or Sanders.
Many voters for Sanders in the primary however, refuse to support him again.