Is Douchelini in Jail Yet??

[Innula Zenovka]

Imagine bringing a mentally unstable person into the justice system and expecting them to follow the rules.

Trump is literally incapable of acting in a typical rational manner. His extreme narcissism -- allowed to progress without any normal checks and balances from society -- will impel him to continue his megalomanic tirades.

We can blame Trump for tearing this country apart as his followers bellow about his "persecution" by the government, but the truth is that there is something deeply wrong with a country that elected a crazed thug to the presidency. That goes beyond the voters who wanted him there. It implicates the entire GOP and the oligarchs who fund them all, the media who turned it into a circus race, and all the other contributors to this massive fail in sanity and governance.

The one job in the US Trump could conceivably get now is POTUS. No business or government department would dream of hiring someone with his record.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

where would he be accommodated during his pre-trial detention?

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[Beebo Brink]

If, as is certainly possible, Trump is incapable of abiding by his bail conditions and, in consequence, finds his bail revoked, where would he be accommodated during his pre-trial detention?

To my mind, where he is held is of less importance than cutting off his access to social media. No phone, no internet. That is the ONLY way to ensure that he stops trying to intimidate anyone and everyone associated with the case.

Despite the fact that there really is no other solution, his followers will go ballistic if these measures are taken, screaming that his First Amendment rights are being violated. There are limits to the FA, of course, but they are primed not to recognize any reasonable restrictions on free speech. Almost assuredly, at least some will resort to violence.

It still has to be done. Appeasement to Trump is what got us here to begin with.

 

[Noodles]

We can blame Trump for tearing this country apart as his followers bellow about his "persecution" by the government, but the truth is that there is something deeply wrong with a country that elected a crazed thug to the presidency. That goes beyond the voters who wanted him there. It implicates the entire GOP and the oligarchs who fund them all, the media who turned it into a circus race, and all the other contributors to this massive fail in sanity and governance.

Yeah, I hate Trump, he should be in jail, but ultimately, I don't care about Trump, or his lack of realmpolicy, or even his blatant grift.

I hate that so many people STILL support him, basically to the point of being willing to give up anything for him. I feel bad for these people, for sucking up the grift so god damn hard.

I feel bad for them for not being able to let go.

I feel bad that they can't see that they have been suckered, by Trump, by the GOP.

I also kind of hate them, probably more than Trump at this point, for the same reason. Because even a moron should at some point be able to realize that they got conned and give up and accept they got conned. But rhey don't. They just double and triple and infinitely-ble down on the con.

Its infuriating.

Trump is going to end up in jail, and all will be laid even more bare than it already has been, and he will still likely get the majority GOP vote and on top of that idiot mini versions like Boebert and MTG and Gaetz and Desantis will still, STILL also get support.

Like jesus fuck who takes so much god damn pride in just being and supporting assholes.

 

[Beebo Brink]

Because even a moron should at some point be able to realize that they got conned and give up and accept they got conned. But they don't. They just double and triple and infinitely-ble down on the con.

You're giving his followers the benefit of the doubt in assuming they were conned.

I'm not that generous. I believe all too many people fully support him for exactly what he is: a hate-filled bully who wants to restore White supremacy and sweep away all norms that don't work in their favor. This is tribal warfare.

By this point, there are no "good" Trump supporters. It doesn't even matter if they held their nose when they voted for him. Supporting his positions while disliking the man himself just means they would prefer a cleaned up, polished version of Trump that doesn't flout their tender social sensibilities.

 

[Essence Lumin]

If, as is certainly possible, Trump is incapable of abiding by his bail conditions and, in consequence, finds his bail revoked, where would he be accommodated during his pre-trial detention?

If Trump is convicted, Secret Service protection may be obstacle to imprisonment

 

[Cindy Claveau]

If, as is certainly possible, Trump is incapable of abiding by his bail conditions and, in consequence, finds his bail revoked, where would he be accommodated during his pre-trial detention?

As a former president, he's clearly a very high-risk prisoner, and is entitled to life-long protection by the Secret Service, who would presumably have to monitor and protect him during his incarceration.

Where Are DC Convicts Being Held?

Apparently, DC doesn't have any Fed prisons. But they have other places that would work.

The BOP reports that 101 of those convicts have been placed at a prison facility or residential reentry center in the United States.

Of that number, more than half are imprisoned inside the 500-mile radius at facilities in West Virginia (48 inmates), Pennsylvania (11 inmates) and North Carolina (7 inmates), including:

• Hazelton Federal Correctional Institution (16 inmates) West Virginia;
• Beckley Federal Correctional Institution (12 inmates) West Virginia;
• Hazelton United States Penitentiary (9 inmates) West Virginia;
• Gilmer Federal Correctional Institution (5 inmates) West Virginia;
• McDowell Federal Correctional Institution (6 inmates) in West Virginia;
• Rivers Correctional Institution (6 inmates) in North Carolina;
• Butner Federal Correctional Institution (1 inmate) in North Carolina;
• Allenwood Federal Correctional Institution (1 inmate) in Pennsylvania;
• Allenwood United States Penitentiary (2 inmates) in Pennsylvania;
• Canaan United States Penitentiary (3 inmates) in Pennsylvania;
• Philadelphia Federal Detention Center (2 inmates) in Pennsylvania;
• and Lewisburg United States Penitentiary (3 inmates) in Pennsylvania.

 

[Soen Eber]

If, as is certainly possible, Trump is incapable of abiding by his bail conditions and, in consequence, finds his bail revoked, where would he be accommodated during his pre-trial detention?

As a former president, he's clearly a very high-risk prisoner, and is entitled to life-long protection by the Secret Service, who would presumably have to monitor and protect him during his incarceration.

At the very least I'd think they'd need to clear out a whole floor, and possibly a whole wing, for him. Or could they hold him on a military base somewhere, or a FBI secure facility, before and during his trial?

How about Saint Helena island?. The Longwood house may even still be available, and he could reminisce about it's former occupant over his remaining years. Or we could airdrop him over the Hague with a GoPro strapped to his chest.

 

[Khamon]

Yes, Mister President, your security detail determined that this hospital for the criminally insane was the safest place for your accommodation during these detestable court proceedings wielded against you by those evil Demos…just sign here please.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

How about Saint Helena island?. The Longwood house may even still be available, and he could reminisce about it's former occupant over his remaining years.

Napoleon's legacy does not deserve this.

 

[Noodles]

Just put him in the pillory outside the White House and let the people throw tomatoes and such

 

[Veritable Quandry]

He doesn't always pay his bills so...will the next arc be his lawyers sue him for non-payment? Stay tuned!

He has paid millions from his political action committees. He appears to not mind paying if it is someone else's money (and he gets a cut).

 

[WolfEyes]

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Off to the right on the map there... Dog Island.

 

[WolfEyes]

He has paid millions from his political action committees. He appears to not mind paying if it is someone else's money (and he gets a cut).

Were these cities ever paid?

• El Paso, Texas, for a rally held in February 2019 totaling $470,417

• Spokane, Washington, for a rally held in May 2016 totaling $65,124

• Mesa, Arizona, for a rally held in October 2018 totaling $64,467

• Eau Claire, Wisconsin, for a rally held in April 2016 totaling $47,398

• Lebanon, Ohio, for a rally held in October 2018 totaling $16,191

• Burlington, Vermont, for a rally held in January 2018 totaling $8,464

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/10/politics/trump-campaign-rallies-outstanding-invoices/index.html

Bills for Truth Social went unpaid just last year.

“Trump never pays his bills”: Truth Social reportedly stiffs contractor amid financial “disarray”

Trump's Twitter knockoff is already in a "bitter battle" with its web host over $1.6 million in unpaid bills.

www.salon.com

Apparently not as of March of 2023.

Trump Stiffed Local Cops. Now It’s Coming Back to Bite Him.

Months or even years later, the Trump campaign still hasn't paid some local departments for the overtime pay they earned after working his rallies.

www.thedailybeast.com

Seems to me it doesn't matter whose money it is; he doesn't pay bills if he can wiggle out of it.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

If Trump is convicted, Secret Service protection may be obstacle to imprisonment

Presumably he'd be safe enough inside somewhere like the ADX Florence supermax, though that would probably be excessive for someone held on remand before trial.

 

[Veritable Quandry]

Fort Leavenworth has a unit for national security offenses or prisoners who have had access to secure documents and/or facilities.

 

[WolfEyes]

Leavenworth does have a bit of a rep.

The Famous Faces of Leavenworth Prison - Crime Capsule

Striking images of the murderers, robbers, and swindlers who orchestrated a complex prison break from the infamous Leavenworth Prison in 1931

crimecapsule.com

He'd be in good company.

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

At the very least I'd think they'd need to clear out a whole floor, and possibly a whole wing, for him. Or could they hold him on a military base somewhere, or a FBI secure facility, before and during his trial?

I have a military base in mind: Fort Leavenworth - home of the US military's only maximum security detention facility.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

To my mind, where he is held is of less importance than cutting off his access to social media. No phone, no internet. That is the ONLY way to ensure that he stops trying to intimidate anyone and everyone associated with the case.

Despite the fact that there really is no other solution, his followers will go ballistic if these measures are taken, screaming that his First Amendment rights are being violated. There are limits to the FA, of course, but they are primed not to recognize any reasonable restrictions on free speech. Almost assuredly, at least some will resort to violence.

It still has to be done. Appeasement to Trump is what got us here to begin with.

I really don't understand what people in the US are and aren't allowed to say about criminal cases after someone's been charged. Our sub judice rules are clearly far tighter than are yours, but presumably US judges have considerable discretion if they think the defendant is trying to intimidate or otherwise influence potential witnesses.

Would it be possible for the judge to direct that Trump make no public comments on the case save through his lawyers, whom the judge will hold responsible, as officers of the court, for ensuring that any such comments are within the limits of whatever is acceptable under US law?

He wouldn't stick to it, of course, but I'm trying to think of the least restrictive set of conditions that would protect witnesses and prevent his trying to interfere with the course of public justice.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Judge Chutkan isn't cutting Trump and his team any slack