Covid-19 vaccine thread

[Innula Zenovka]

‘We don’t want to tell people they are wrong’: the battle to win over Britain’s unvaccinated

Local organisations are playing a crucial role in tackling concerns over the Covid jab

www.theguardian.com

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Local activists on promoting vaccinations against Covid among London's Somali community.

This, from one of the public health experts quoted in the article, is important, I think:

“There’s an assumption we need to educate people, or tell them off, but actually we need to find out why people haven’t had a vaccine. The key is not to stigmatise and not to assume.”

 

[Argent Stonecutter]

At this point the only option is to mandate them. Trying to understand it will just bake your noodle.

 

[Romana]

And if they keep yelling about authoritarianism, pack them off to a real authoritarian country and see how they're tolerate their BS.

 

[WolfEyes]

And if they keep telling air authoritarianism, pack them off to a real authoritarian country and see how they're tolerate their BS.

North Korea?

 

[Innula Zenovka]

At this point the only option is to mandate them. Trying to understand it will just bake your noodle.

Possibly in the US, but while it seems likely vaccination will become mandatory for health care workers in the UK next week, there's certainly no great political or scientific support for mandatory vaccination on a larger scale.

I think this, from the article, is quite an important point. They're quoting Dr Pauline Paterson, co-director of the Vaccine Confidence Project at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine (LSHTM):

confidence, or a lack of trust in the vaccines, or authorities, is only one reason why some people are unvaccinated, Paterson said. They may be complacent – particularly young people who believe they are not vulnerable to Covid, or there may be a lack of access.

“Maybe some people tried to log into the system and it wasn’t working. Or they didn’t know their NHS number, or the centre is too far away,” Paterson said. “Usually, by the time you have systems in place to make vaccines mandatory, you don’t need to, because generally the problem is about access.

Certainly when I came to have my booster at the beginning of November, as soon as I qualified, I was struck by the fact that, while the first two shots, like my annual flu jab, were at centres under a mile away, in easy walking distance, the nearest available place I could book the booster was about 30 or 40 minutes away by car or an hour on public transport.

 

[Romana]

North Korea?

I was thinking Hungary, Orban is famous for it, but N. Korea is good, too. Let them say anything near what they say about Biden about KJU and see how long they live.

 

[detrius]

This jackass has called for the public execution of politicians.

TV chef turned rabble-rouser

Hildmann first became a celebrity as a TV chef and author of best-selling cookbooks. Now he is one of Germany's most radical coronavirus deniers and conspiracy theorists. Fearing arrest, he has left the country.

www.dw.com

Berlin bans rally by vegan chef conspiracy theorist

Berlin authorities have banned a rally of the coronavirus conspiracy theorist Attila Hildmann. The vegan chef claims Adolf Hitler was a "blessing" compared to Angela Merkel, accusing her of preparing a global genocide.

www.dw.com

Attila Hildmann: Judiciary mole suspected of leaks to conspiracist

Berlin officials say Covid lockdown sceptic Attila Hildmann was passed data about a probe into him.

www.bbc.com

 

[Archer]

‘We don’t want to tell people they are wrong’: the battle to win over Britain’s unvaccinated

Local organisations are playing a crucial role in tackling concerns over the Covid jab

www.theguardian.com

Evernote link

Local activists on promoting vaccinations against Covid among London's Somali community.

This, from one of the public health experts quoted in the article, is important, I think:

It's important to remember that not everyone else thinks the same way as we do personally. We in these Covid forums follow the subject closely, some even obsessively. We are a very small minority. The vast majority of people in the world do not, may not even follow news on it at all. They get their information from family, friends, and co-workers for the most part. They are just everyday people, living their everyday lives. Assuming that the only reason they are unvaxxed at this point is because they don't care, or they have some wacko ideas in their heads is pretty small minded. Those people do exist, don't get me wrong, but those are also a minority.

One reason I've heard given over and over is distrust of the medical community as a whole, which is, imho, a very healthy distrust. Even on here, we all were wary in the beginning. What changed your mind? More than likely, it was following the news and experts on Twitter, etc that did it. MOST people do not do that! So how do we overcome that wariness? You find ways to give them more information in a way that they'll listen and understand. Just like you and me, only we did that for ourselves because we were the kind of folks who have the time and resources and interest to do it. Just remember, not everyone does things the same way.

 

[Beebo Brink]

Assuming that the only reason they are unvaxxed at this point is because they don't care, or they have some wacko ideas in their heads is pretty small minded. Those people do exist, don't get me wrong, but those are also a minority.

It's a pretty sizable minority, and their whacko perspective is gaining traction in mainstream society at an alarming rate.

 

[Argent Stonecutter]

Even on here, we all were wary in the beginning.

In what sense?

 

[WolfEyes]

It's important to remember that not everyone else thinks the same way as we do personally. We in these Covid forums follow the subject closely, some even obsessively. We are a very small minority. The vast majority of people in the world do not, may not even follow news on it at all. They get their information from family, friends, and co-workers for the most part. They are just everyday people, living their everyday lives. Assuming that the only reason they are unvaxxed at this point is because they don't care, or they have some wacko ideas in their heads is pretty small minded. Those people do exist, don't get me wrong, but those are also a minority.

I don't disagree. The problem I have is the fact that even the minutest of unvaccinated minorities are the reason the mask mandate was reinstated in my state. IMO, that makes them even more dangerous to the rest of us.

 

[Romana]

In what sense?

Possibly because the whackos are actively spreading their disinformation. They are very vocal, sometimes physical, in person, in doing so. And that's without even mentioning their efforts on social media or mainstream media, since the question was about people who don't read those.

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

In what sense?

At first, when the vaccines were first announced and given EUA, my first thought was that they seemed rushed. Part of me thought they were rushed to appease TFG (though that didn't make much sense given his overall attitude about the virus). It didn't take me long to dispell those notions, but a lot of folks just going about their daily lives don't put in the time to research the subject the way I'm sure we all here did.

 

[Sid]

I was thinking Hungary, Orban is famous for it, but N. Korea is good, too. Let them say anything near what they say about Biden about KJU and see how long they live.

I Totally disagree with your choice of Hungary. We already have enough wackadoodles in the EU as it is.

 

[Beebo Brink]

At first, when the vaccines were first announced and given EUA, my first thought was that they seemed rushed. Part of me thought they were rushed to appease TFG (though that didn't make much sense given his overall attitude about the virus). It didn't take me long to dispell those notions, but a lot of folks just going about their daily lives don't put in the time to research the subject the way I'm sure we all here did.

I was leery because the first reports of an imminent vaccine were not that detailed as to how this was possible. Once I read more about mRNA -- how long it had been under development, how it worked, how it was adjusted to deal with a coronavirus rather than cancer -- my concerns were fully allayed. By the time the vaccine was actually rolling out, I was fully on board.

But to be fair, I kept on top of the news daily, and I have enough of an understanding of science that I could quickly grasp the concepts under discussion. I take that understanding for granted, even when I know I shouldn't. It's really difficult to look at the issue from the perspective of someone who doesn't know how the body (much less the immune system) works, what RNA and DNA are and their role in the body, and who hasn't a clue what a virus really is.

Nobody likes being thought stupid or ignorant. If you're too far behind in understanding the basic concepts, then this rush of new information is overwhelming. A common reaction to feeling vulnerable and at the mercy of people who appear to know more than you do is to lash out in anger. People have a lot to be angry about these days, because life is coming at them hard and fast.

 

[Arkady Arkright]

People have a lot to be angry about these days, because life is coming at them hard and fast.

If they get angry at the wrong things (like vaccines), death will be coming at them hard and fast...

 

[WolfEyes]

If they get angry at the wrong things (like vaccines), death will be coming at them hard and fast...

I don't see that as a problem.

 

[Romana]

If they get angry at the wrong things (like vaccines), death will be coming at them hard and fast...

Not fast enough, if there are still people around who assault and harass the doctors trying to save their families' lives

 

[Beebo Brink]

If they get angry at the wrong things (like vaccines), death will be coming at them hard and fast...

That's exactly what we're seeing with covid, not to mention every other lunatic conspiracy theory. An uncomfortable portion of our population is losing their shit. They've become unmoored from reality because it's too complicated for them.

 

[Romana]