Nobody Cares: PRS

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

 

[Argent Stonecutter]

Hillary forced the democratic party to fall apart by stealing the primary from Bernie in 2016.

Note: did not actually happen.

 

[Beebo Brink]

"Hillary stole it from Bernie" is right up there with "Biden stole it from Trump" for addle-pated rejection of reality.

Bernie lost. And I say that as someone who voted for him in the primary. He lost; get over it.

 

[bubblesort]

"Hillary stole it from Bernie" is right up there with "Biden stole it from Trump" for addle-pated rejection of reality.

Bernie lost. And I say that as someone who voted for him in the primary. He lost; get over it.

OK, fine. 'Stole' is a strong term to use. Hillary purchased the primary. Happy?

I still say the Hillary-Bernie split that started in 2016 is the most relevant split in the democratic party today, and it won't go away until the boomer morons stop pushing crazy red scare rhetoric to stop us from getting things like a health care system that works and an end to mass incarceration. Until they learn their lesson and back down, the party will continue to lose, and the republicans will continue to control the federal government, like they do right now. Seriously, forget policy or the supreme court nominations that I keep hearing mainstream democrats shouting about all the time. We can't even get an independant commission on Jan 6, so no, we don't control anything. Republicans do, because assholes like Schumer keep pushing neoliberal candidates that everybody hates.

 

[Beebo Brink]

OK, fine. 'Stole' is a strong term to use. Hillary purchased the primary. Happy?

Not as unhappy as you are, apparently. Bernie LOST. He lost because more Democrats wanted Hillary for president than wanted Bernie for president. He ran a strong campaign, and I'm glad he made the attempt, but HE LOST. In the end, he wasn't the candidate that enough people wanted.

In the years following that loss, I've come to see that this was probably for the best anyway. My opinion of Bernie's abilities has gone down rather than up. He's a bit of one-trick pony and I don't think he would have transitioned all that well to the presidency, where you can't focus on income inequality as the be-all-end-all of the problems besetting our country. And if he couldn't win the Democratic primary, he wasn't likely to win the presidency either. We'll never know for sure, though, but either way, it's over.

 

[Veritable Quandry]

I voted for Bernie in the 2016 primaries. I did not in 2020. Mostly because Bernie didn't do the work to build a coalition and organize a better campaign in the four years after and he didn't even join the fucking party. You can be an outsider or you can be a leader. He's turned into an outsider who whines about not being crowned the leader.

 

[Beebo Brink]

 

[Free]

At the German Dam...

 

[Free]

 

[Soen Eber]

Is that from a sitcom? Because it looks like that comes from a sitcom.

 

[Soen Eber]

Now if that happened at the new Berlin Airport he mightabeen right ;P

 

[WolfEyes]

OK, fine. 'Stole' is a strong term to use. Hillary purchased the primary. Happy?

I still say the Hillary-Bernie split that started in 2016 is the most relevant split in the democratic party today, and it won't go away until the boomer morons stop pushing crazy red scare rhetoric to stop us from getting things like a health care system that works and an end to mass incarceration. Until they learn their lesson and back down, the party will continue to lose, and the republicans will continue to control the federal government, like they do right now. Seriously, forget policy or the supreme court nominations that I keep hearing mainstream democrats shouting about all the time. We can't even get an independant commission on Jan 6, so no, we don't control anything. Republicans do, because assholes like Schumer keep pushing neoliberal candidates that everybody hates.

You are conflating a lot of things that are not related in the way(s) you are trying to force them to be. AKA conspiracy theories.

The bolded part? Stop lumping everyone over 50 into the same box. We do NOT all fit in it. And it's a damn good way to piss people off to the point where they vote FOR the very people that should never be in office, just because people like you do stupid shit like this.

 

[Free]

Is that from a sitcom? Because it looks like that comes from a sitcom.

It's called Congressed!

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Nigel Farage attracted some criticism (to say the least) when he attacked the Royal National LIfeboat Institute, our volunteer lifeboat service, for "running a taxi service for asylum seekers" by rescuing them when their boats get into difficulties and bringing them ashore.

Then this happened

Donations to RNLI rise 3,000% after Farage’s migrant criticism

UK lifeboat charity raises £200,000 in single day after CEO hits out at Nigel Farage’s ‘taxi service’ claim

www.theguardian.com

Evernote link

 

[bubblesort]

Not as unhappy as you are, apparently. Bernie LOST. He lost because more Democrats wanted Hillary for president than wanted Bernie for president. He ran a strong campaign, and I'm glad he made the attempt, but HE LOST. In the end, he wasn't the candidate that enough people wanted.

In the years following that loss, I've come to see that this was probably for the best anyway. My opinion of Bernie's abilities has gone down rather than up. He's a bit of one-trick pony and I don't think he would have transitioned all that well to the presidency, where you can't focus on income inequality as the be-all-end-all of the problems besetting our country. And if he couldn't win the Democratic primary, he wasn't likely to win the presidency either. We'll never know for sure, though, but either way, it's over.

Oh yeah, I'm unhappy. Lots of people are unhappy about the 2016 primary. You should be, too. Hillary won that primary, but she won it by playing dirty. In order to beat Bernie, she had to embezzle money from the DNC, then she had to engage in all kinds of arm twisting and smoky backroom deals to win superdelegates early, before anybody voted. Then she had to get her buddies in the media black out Bernie's packed stadiums. So no, she didn't win that primary through campaigning or winning hearts and minds. She was openly, unapologetically corrupt. She's been a war mongering enemy of the working class, the environment, and LGBT causes her whole life, and we all know it. She was so openly corrupt, she drove people to vote for Trump.

So yeah, you can go ahead and keep acting like she was the best candidate in that race if you want, but nobody actually believes that. In the end, her failures, and the failures of her enablers, gave us Trump. Even Joe Biden beat Trump. Many people forget this, but even George W Bush beat Trump, and he couldn't even cleanly beat Al Gore (I still say the 2000 election was outright stolen). Hillary Clinton was the only candidate Trump could beat, because she really is that horrible. She will go down in history as a pathetic failure, and a disgrace to the party.

That said... yeah, Bernie slowed down a lot after 2016. We will have more progressives to choose from in the future, though. The neolibs can't steal from us forever. Eventually, people will get tired of indentured servitude in exchange for shitty health care, and a drug war that's just a race war by a different name.

 

[Clara D.]

It's like a meeting of people that model for stock photos.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

 

[Essence Lumin]

It's like a meeting of people that model for stock photos.

The guy in the back looks like he's staring at orange dress woman's butt. She looks like she's trying to protect guy in center.

 

[Free]

The guy in the back looks like he's staring at orange dress woman's butt. She looks like she's trying to protect guy in center.

Guy in the back is Sen. Joe Manchin (sorta-D, WI). Woman in orange dress is Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (barely-D, AZ).

If Manchin is checking out Sinema's butt, that would be a shock. If Sinema is protecting Sen. Rob Portman's (R, OH) ass, that's to be expected.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

I still say the Hillary-Bernie split that started in 2016 is the most relevant split in the democratic party today, and it won't go away until the boomer morons stop pushing crazy red scare rhetoric to stop us from getting things like a health care system that works and an end to mass incarceration.

Since I'm not familiar with the details of who does what in the US political system, could you please explain in a bit more details what President Sanders (President anyone, really) would do to "an end to mass incarceration" in the US?

I see from Wikipedia that

As of their March 2020 publication, the Prison Policy Initiative, a non-profit organization for decarceration, estimated that in the United States, about 2.3 million people were or are currently incarcerated. Of those who were incarcerated, 1,291,000 people were in state prison, 631,000 in local jails, 226,000 in federal prisons, 44,000 in youth correctional facilities, 42,000 in immigration detention camps, 22,000 in involuntary commitment, 11,000 in territorial prisons, 2,500 in Indian Country jails, and 1,300 in United States military prisons.

Many of those people will be serving prisoners and will remain so unless someone with a power to commute their sentences intervenes, which generally will be the governor of the state that's holding them, not the president, since they're state, not federal, prisoners.

At the same time, no matter what the president might try to do by persuading Congress to change federal sentencing law, reversing the punitive measures set in train a generation ago by Reagan and Clinton, that doesn't in any way directly affect defendants dealt with by state and local courts, and they seem to be the great majority of the US prison population.

So how would this work? President Sanders, or whoever, takes office, determined to reduce the number of prisoners serving sentences in state prisons in Louisiana, Texas and everywhere else.

How does he set about persuading the governors and legislatures of those states to work with him in reducing mass incarceration?

Even assuming full cooperation from the former Confederate states, which seems a bit improbable, what sort of timescale are we talking about here?