Covenant Dispute

[Beebo Brink]

I will have to make sure I don't rent from you either.

I'm pretty sure Neo sees that as a blessing.

 

[Khamon]

Where do y’all find all this food to feed them? SRSLY/ Does it grow on trees in your back gardens?

 

[Kimba]

Edit: she said people use an SL dance-pole for exercise with a straight face? WAT?

People use yoga-mats, exercise-bikes, and even sex-beds to imagine themselves exercising and fucking. Since you are comparative-logic illiterate I will explain that the assertion that particular data-point was supporting was: It's perfectly legitimate to have a dance-pole in one's residence, in fact I know people in real-time who have installed them in their homes, for exercise and for entertaining intimate-friends. A dance-pole does not magically transform a house into a titty-bar.

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

Where do y’all find all this food to feed them? SRSLY/ Does it grow on trees in your back gardens?

Nah, we're just seriously bored.

 

[NeoBokrug Elytis]

Given that Kimba is being openly hostile to people who comment in this thread, going to far as to make shallow remarks about those who don't agree with her here; I think that's painted a pretty clear picture of the person the estate was dealing with.

As for the estate that she had a dispute with, I don't know them. I'm not defending them. I'm here to perhaps speak on behalf of those have dealt with this sort of Second Life persona. I am not really thrilled that the estate brought in 4 testimonials to the thread from different folks, when a single message from the owner is good enough in my eyes. I do understand why they did that though, and I'll get to that later.

I wanted to touch upon a few minor nuanced topics not discussed here yet, since the main discussion of "who's bad" is pretty much over. Effectively shift gears on the thread a bit, as VVO does...

I disagree with Lex, but I get where you're coming from. You're right, handling a moron or two comes with the business, but there's always going to be once in a blue moon exception to the expected norm. I might agree with you more if Kimba wasn't as toxic as she's presenting herself to be in this thread. To me that speaks volumes on interacting with her in general. Based on Kimbas own post of the covenant shortly after your post; their covenant is SUUUPER simple compared to my monstrosity. It's hard for me to imagine much of a language barrier or misunderstanding for something so succinct. Kimba even said that she had read it, and even admitted that she didn't think a rule would apply to her. That's not a misunderstanding, that's her thinking she's exempt from the rules somehow.

Could things have been handled differently by the estate? Sure. As an estate owner myself, there ARE times where you need to immediately remove someone without a refund while returning all their stuff. I don't know what that estate company in particular had to deal with in the time where she's been a resident for over a year apparently, so I'll give you a generalized example of something that happened on my estate once.

In summary: I had a person who was a resident for YEARS and even friends with a couple other residents. However, they were pretty toxic to the community in general and wouldn't ever QUITE break a covenant rule; but would push it to it's absolute limit. When things got worse I kept warning them that what they were doing wasn't cool, and that I WOULD interpret their actions as being... shady. But they kept pushing and pushing, eventually they bought some land next to a person they didn't like and build a spite-build JUST to piss them off. One, they were pissing me off. And two, they were harassing my residents. I immediately banned them from my estates, groups, game -- returned all their stuff -- and kept the funds from their recent land purchase and any remaining tier as an inconvenience fee.

So while it might be sufficient to let them go quietly, sometimes the headache of dealing with them requires an immediate ejection and returning all their stuff. And whether or not you have no refunds clause in the covenant, I'd like to think you're justified in keeping everything they paid as an inconvenience fee under special circumstances.

p.s. Breaking this up into two posts for digestibility.

 

[NeoBokrug Elytis]

I disagree with you Fionalein, because the discussion is not always about who is right and who is wrong. Though the books you mention sound like something I'd enjoy and I am going to look into them. But allow me some time to meta-meta-meta-comment.

My primary gripe about what you've posted, is that it doesn't account for anonymous SL accounts trying to damage the reputation of established entities. It's easy for anyone to roll up an alt, or a forum account not associated with their main SL account and talk trash about an entity because they thought were wronged somehow. If Kimba came here to talk shit about The Wastelands, I would be OBLIGATED to post my side of the story. There's little to no choice in the matter because if I let it sit, then it's uncontested, and random people who may be new to SL and don't know, will read the sole perspective for what it is. So Kimba is right in that regard, she's causing trouble and forced their hand to reply. In the end it's not a matter of who is superior, or who is right and wrong, but the sharing of two sides of a story, and let the reader decide.

I am pretty sure a lot of regulars saw how this thread was going to play out before I asked what rule of the covenant she broke. To me it was already apparent that Kimba had ulterior motives. I asked because I wanted to know if she was justified in her complaints. But no, she admits to breaking at least three rules of the covenant -- Implying that the EMs should "fuck off and die" when given the opportunity to adhere to the covenant -- Trying to save face by pretending to be an activist, when in fact she's engaging in blackmail over $10; because she openly admits that if she doesn't get a refund she's here to make trouble.

In the end I don't think the customer is ALWAYS right or always DESERVES the patience of a creator or service provider in Second Life. But I would say that 99.95% of everyone I've ever done business with has,been great, or better than great; and are deserving of great customer support. There's always that 0.05% that are the fucking cancer of SL and First Life -- Karens.

 

[Free]

p.s. Breaking this up into two posts for digestibility.

Yeah, that didn't help.

Some of you guys are wasting a lot of words on a crap thread.

 

[Kimba]

But no, she admits to breaking at least three rules of the covenant -- Implying that the EMs should "fuck off and die" when given the opportunity to adhere to the covenant -- Trying to save face by pretending to be an activist, when in fact she's engaging in blackmail over $10; because she openly admits that if she doesn't get a refund she's here to make trouble.

I have only been hostile to those of YOU, yes YOU, who have been openly idiotic. I have explained that nothing I did broke the written covenant, and I have posted the covenant. But idiots like you continue to pull alternative facts out of your donkey-hole, and insist that I did break the covenant. Now you have idiotically, yes you are an idiot, claimed that I admitted to breaking the covenant. Can you even read anything that you did not yourself write? Selective illiteracy? How big was the crowd at Trump's inauguration rally?

 

[Essence Lumin]

All of these posts about US $10 (I think). Yeesh.

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

I have only been hostile to those of YOU, yes YOU, who have been openly idiotic. I have explained that nothing I did broke the written covenant, and I have posted the covenant. But idiots like you continue to pull alternative facts out of your donkey-hole, and insist that I did break the covenant. Now you have idiotically, yes you are an idiot, claimed that I admitted to breaking the covenant. Can you even read anything that you did not yourself write? Selective illiteracy? How big was the crowd at Trump's inauguration rally?

You are just a spoiled brat, whose parents blew fairy dust into its sorrow too much pampered ass all over the time and sadly never received a well rounded education in terms of manners, proper social behaviour and what not. You are the proverbial tail trying to waggle around with the dog.

Now that once in a while reality hit you hard with a stick and you came to the conclusion that you are not so special as you thought to be, you are just all the rage like a spoiled brat is exactly expected to behave. What else to say? Ah yes, this one: get lost, crybaby.

 

[Aki]

THIS IS AN ADULT RESIDENTIAL REGION ONLY

This Region is privately owned by W Real Estate (WRE). Make sure to read this covenant before purchasing. Checking the box that you agree to this covenant means you are accepting responsibility to follow and understand the rules of this region. Violations of the covenant can result in the loss of your land without refund.

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*No stores, clubs, commercial, business usage, breedables or unbirthed breedables, krafties, prim babies, DFS (Digital Farm System), weather machines, traffic boosters, bots of any type, vendors, Landmark givers, group inviter's, anything that gives away free Lindens, games that pay out Lindens, free fishing, contest boards, raffles, or excessive use of heavy scripts.

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*WRE is not responsible for lost items that might occur during or after your rental period.

*Disrespect to WRE employees will not be tolerated. You will risk your rental being terminated without refund. WRE employees are here to help you not take abuse. All claims will be closely investigated before any action is taken.

*Harassment is very serious and will not be tolerated by WRE. All harassment claims will be closely investigated before any action is taken. If you the tenant, have visitors on your land harassing other tenants, they are your responsibility and you are responsible for any harassment complaints.

Who's openly idiotic?

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Still not gonna join this one’s personal army.

 

[Kimba]

Who's openly idiotic?

You are openly idiotic. Do you even understand the word break?

 

[Kimba]

You are just a spoiled brat, whose parents blew fairy dust into its sorrow too much pampered ass all over the time and sadly never received a well rounded education in terms of manners, proper social behaviour and what not. You are the proverbial tail trying to waggle around with the dog.

Now that once in a while reality hit you hard with a stick and you came to the conclusion that you are not so special as you thought to be, you are just all the rage like a spoiled brat is exactly expected to behave. What else to say? Ah yes, this one: get lost, crybaby.

Since you know so much about me, from what you have read on this one thread, how often do I trim my nose-hair

 

[Kimba]

Still not gonna join this one’s personal army.

4F

 

[Sid]

What do you try to accomplish with continuing here Kimba?
You clearly lost most of the initial sympathy (as far it ever existed).
This is mainly a community with long standing posters and forum friends, who are sharing thoughts, ideas and feelings much longer than the current site exists.
Do you really think we will reexamine our views on this matter because of your aggressive responds?

We don't give f*ck about your $10 loss anymore.
Go and piss off the guys at LL, if you think it all happened not rightfully.
But be warned, they ban much quicker than Cris does here.

 

[Aki]

You are openly idiotic. Do you even understand the word break?

Do you?

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

Kimba is a leftist communist, and here's why:

* behaves like the typical leftist special snowflake
* complains about being always discriminated by others
* wants to rob people of their hard earned money, so does not respect private property
* thinks that contracts are non-binding and can be bend by him to his own liking without consensus of the other party, which is typical for a communist who wants to redefine the world

 

[Beebo Brink]

Is there a list yet? Am I on it?

 

[NeoBokrug Elytis]

Is there a list yet? Am I on it?

They invented lists, to put you on it.