Presidential Debate

[detrius]

John Woo's least poular film?

He was asked that question in 2016 and couldn't answer it.

He probably still can't.

Another thing to ask would be the names of his previous two Supreme Court picks. I don't think he'd remember them.

 

[Aeon Jiminy]

I absolutely think Trump was off the rails at this debate, but Biden has a problem and it's not Russia or Jill Stein.

66 Percent of Spanish-Speaking Americans in Poll Think Trump Won the Debate

In a poll that ran on Telemundo's newscast, Spanish-speaking Americans gave Trump the nod for winning Tuesday's presidential debate according to a Telemundo poll conducted on Twitter.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Free]

I absolutely think Trump was off the rails at this debate, but Biden has a problem and it's not Russia or Jill Stein.

66 Percent of Spanish-Speaking Americans in Poll Think Trump Won the Debate

In a poll that ran on Telemundo's newscast, Spanish-speaking Americans gave Trump the nod for winning Tuesday's presidential debate according to a Telemundo poll conducted on Twitter.

www.newsweek.com

If you and Newsweek are going to rely on "twitter polls" for political analysis...

Reliable polls show that Biden won the debate — so those aren’t what Trump’s allies are highlighting

Shortly after the first presidential debate ended on Tuesday night, Fox News’s Sean Hannity seized upon two online surveys to declare victory for his friend President Trump.

One, from Telemundo, had Trump winning by a 2-to-1 margin, he said. Another, from WGN, had a similarly lopsided result.

The thing about those surveys is that they are garbage. This isn’t meant as disparagement; it’s meant as an accurate reflection of the utility of a survey that consists of a media outlet such as C-SPAN asking people on Twitter whom they think won. A good rule of thumb for a poll is that if anyone can weigh in on it and can encourage other people to participate as well, it’s not going to yield a useful result. When Telemundo announced the results of its informal survey, it deliberately pointed out that the results weren’t scientific, slightly moderating the uselessness of sharing such information in the first place.

But thanks for the input, Trump ally.

 

[Free]

One lie easily documented.

 

[Aeon Jiminy]

If you and Newsweek are going to rely on "twitter polls" for political analysis...

Reliable polls show that Biden won the debate — so those aren’t what Trump’s allies are highlighting




But thanks for the input, Trump ally.

You're using the Washington Post to justify your point of view about reliability. Okay .

You're living in a dream world if you don't think Biden has some problems with latinos, young people, young people of color, and disgruntled progressives.
It likely won't cost him the election, but why is he even taking that chance? Why does he need to gloat about denying people guaranteed health care during a pandemic and making sure that everyone understands he doesn't support the Green New deal?

You really need to get some new material. Always name-calling and accusing people of being a Trump ally who don't support your focus-group tested point of view is incredibly tired.

 

[Sid]

Reliable polls show that Biden won the debate — so those aren’t what Trump’s allies are highlighting

The best poll is already in motion for days now.
34 days left to participate.

 

[Free]

The best poll is already in motion for days now.
34 days left to participate.

I have no idea what your point is here.

 

[Sid]

I have no idea what your point is here.

I've heard great poll stories 4 years ago.
90% likelihood that Trump would loose.
American polls turned out to be less accurate then the weather forecast.
So, let's wait until the results are final.

Where is my umbrella?

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Why does he need to gloat about denying people guaranteed health care during a pandemic

I missed the bit where he did that, and so did the papers I read, though admittedly they are (you may not be wholly surprised to learn) mostly the lying mainstream establishment media.

Can you help me out, preferably with a direct reference rather than a YouTube video of some guy I've never heard of rambling on for half an hour or so?

 

[Sid]

I wonder if it might be a good idea if the Biden campaign would cancel the second 'debate'.
With an idiot like Trump a halfway normal debate seems impossible.

 

[Free]

You're using the Washington Post to justify your point of view about reliability. Okay .

You're living in a dream world if you don't think Biden has some problems with latinos

Using Newsweek to to justify your point of view about Biden's demographic hurdles? Fuck off.

I didn't claim Biden didn't have some problems on the Latino front. What I basically was saying was: USING GARBAGE WEB POLLS TO ARGUE YOUR POINT IS FUCKING NONSENSE.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

I've heard great poll stories 4 years ago.
90% likelihood that Trump would loose.
American polls turned out to be less accurate then the weather forecast.
So, let's wait until the results are final.

Where is my umbrella?

I think FiveThirtyEight gave HRC about a 70% chance of winning on their projections, which they pointed out at the time meant that Trump won in over one in four scenarios.

 

[Free]

Can you help me out, preferably with a direct reference rather than a YouTube video of some guy I've never heard of rambling on for half an hour or so?

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

You're using the Washington Post to justify your point of view about reliability. Okay .

You're living in a dream world if you don't think Biden has some problems with latinos, young people, young people of color, and disgruntled progressives.
It likely won't cost him the election, but why is he even taking that chance? Why does he need to gloat about denying people guaranteed health care during a pandemic and making sure that everyone understands he doesn't support the Green New deal?

It's hardly radical to claim that twitter poles are shit. And the far left is living in a dream world if they think Americans are ready to support universal healthcare or the green new deal. I want both of those things, but most Americans still aren't sold on them.

I think FiveThirtyEight gave HRC about a 70% chance of winning on their projections, which they pointed out at the time meant that Trump won in over one in four scenarios.

Correct. Also, HRC's poll numbers were falling like a rock after Comey announced he was reopening an investigation into her emails days before the election. So NO, the polls were not just out and out "wrong" as so many people think.

 

[Free]

I've heard great poll stories 4 years ago.
90% likelihood that Trump would loose.
American polls turned out to be less accurate then the weather forecast.
So, let's wait until the results are final.

Where is my umbrella?

The polls being discussed at the moment are simply opinion polls of who won the debate.

Stuff like "90% likelihood that Trump would loose." is not what polls are about. It comes from the analysis of those polls by political pundits and others.

Actual, real polling doesn't do likelihoods, they just reflect the views of those polled at the time they were polled. It's all the horserace horseshit that comes in later that you seem to be concerned with.

Finally, your "let's wait until the results are final' is kind of like telling fans of a sports team to stop watching the game and wait for the final buzzer before focusing on anything or rooting for your team.

 

[Veritable Quandry]

I recall it had swung to as low as 60% a few days before the election, with projections that Clinton would win the popular vote by 2% but Trump having an electoral college advantage. Turned out to be on the nose if you followed the polls and didn't look at Oct. 1 predictions on Oct 25th.

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

I recall it had swung to as low as 60% a few days before the election, with projections that Clinton would win the popular vote by 2% but Trump having an electoral college advantage. Turned out to be on the nose if you followed the polls and didn't look at Oct. 1 predictions on Oct 25th.

Yep, and most national polls can't swing that fast in response to a shock. So if it was proven the Russian Pee tape was real 2 days before this election, the polls wouldn't show it, but it would likely cost Trump a few votes at least...

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

Why did we watch that thing? Donnie talking constantly, even interrupting the moderator, telling the proud boys to stand by when asked to tell them to stop (and would not do so right away), not telling his supporters not to commit violence when Biden did right away, and even starting to trash Beau.

Yeah, that was a complete shit show. And my jaw literally dropped when Trump not only didn't condemn the right wing violence, but told the Proud Boys to "stand by" - and Chris didn't call him on that!

 

[Sid]

I recall it had swung to as low as 60% a few days before the election, with projections that Clinton would win the popular vote by 2% but Trump having an electoral college advantage. Turned out to be on the nose if you followed the polls and didn't look at Oct. 1 predictions on Oct 25th.

But... it is still only September. An awful lot can change.
Trump might present his tax returns showing he payed millions a year. Who can tell?

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

We'd still have to look at Trump's mug. I am not down with that.

I don't know. Watching donnie-boy gesticulating wildly in a muted pane would be kinda comical, in a sick and twisted way.