Who Makes Up The Majority of Non Voters? POLL

Who Makes Up The Majority of Non Voters?

  • Left leaning, but don't support Biden/Harris

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Right leaning, but don't support Trump

    Votes: 2 7.1%
  • Centrists/Moderates/Independents who don't see themselves represented

    Votes: 2 7.1%
  • People who have never voted and have no interest in politics

    Votes: 23 82.1%
  • People Abstaining as a form of protest about the system

    Votes: 7 25.0%
  • Those who hate pie

    Votes: 7 25.0%
  • Those who want to vote, but can't (voter suppression)

    Votes: 9 32.1%
  • Those who think No Point, my person will win

    Votes: 4 14.3%
  • Those who think No Point, my person will lose

    Votes: 6 21.4%

  • Total voters
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Maybe it should have been called "Who Makes Up the Majority of Undecided" or even better, "What is each parties target audience?" since I see lots of talk about needing to change people's minds, sway them to one side or another, but more so I think it's about convincing people to show up to vote so I framed the question this way.

Up to three choices.

Edit to add another choice that I missed the first time.

Edit 2 added two more.
 
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Ballots: "Do you want Murglblafta pie, or Dunderifil Pie?"
non-voters: "Dunno what those are, and don't care enough to find out. I choose not to participate rather than risk being responsible for picking something I end up not hating."
 

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I think it's already been well established in research that the majority are idiots who are just willfully ignorant of what's going on and are mostly apolitical. A smaller number are fanatics who have very particular beliefs, but think voting is pointless.

For example, I didn't vote when I was a crazy libertarian, but have grown out of that...
 

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I think it's already been well established in research that the majority are idiots who are just willfully ignorant of what's going on and are mostly apolitical. A smaller number are fanatics who have very particular beliefs, but think voting is pointless.

For example, I didn't vote when I was a crazy libertarian, but have grown out of that...
That’s generally my thoughts as well. So it begs the question, to me anyway, who are all these “get out and vote” messages targeting? Dems hoping to pick up net new voters? Or convert those who voted Trump last time? If the later then should the message really be simply a reminder to vote?
 

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That’s generally my thoughts as well. So it begs the question, to me anyway, who are all these “get out and vote” messages targeting? Dems hoping to pick up net new voters? Or convert those who voted Trump last time? If the later then should the message really be simply a reminder to vote?
There do appear to be a fair number who feel they should vote but just can't seem to get around to it for one reason or another. I've met enough of them and we have a good turnout here in NZ.
 

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There do appear to be a fair number who feel they should vote but just can't seem to get around to it for one reason or another. I've met enough of them and we have a good turnout here in NZ.
In Canada a lot of non voters appear to be in the “no point voting, my team will win handily” and “no point voting, my area always elects known party I don’t support”
 

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That’s generally my thoughts as well. So it begs the question, to me anyway, who are all these “get out and vote” messages targeting? Dems hoping to pick up net new voters? Or convert those who voted Trump last time? If the later then should the message really be simply a reminder to vote?
The "get out and vote" messages I've seen on Twitter seem to be encouraging people who want to vote, or who think they might want to, to double-check that they are properly registered (a valid concern, after all, because of voter suppression) and to apply for postal votes and to make sure they understand the procedure and the deadlines.
 

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In Canada a lot of non voters appear to be in the “no point voting, my team will win handily” and “no point voting, my area always elects known party I don’t support”
We had that 'problem' under FPTP, but now we have MMP, no excuse not to vote.
 
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For example, I didn't vote when I was a crazy libertarian, but have grown out of that...
Libertarianism never made a lick of sense to me. Seems like it would create a power vacuum that would be quickly filled by bands of 'individuals' united for strength and defense against those they prey upon.
 

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Libertarianism never made a lick of sense to me. Seems like it would create a power vacuum that would be quickly filled by bands of 'individuals' united for strength and defense against those they prey upon.
There is no way to answer this in a short, concise way. Private policing has worked better than you'd think all around the world. Government policing is more recent than you probably think. The central reason I no longer want private police isn't because it just can't work, but because they tend to be brutal... For example, the ones in Russia prior to Putin taking over cared more about appearing "tough" on the criminals than they did about any pretense of rehabilitation.

...and private militaries are something even most libertarians are suspicious of. Even many fanatical libertarians concede that maybe we'd want to keep a "minarchist" state that only does this.

But I'm not here to defend the philosophy, just telling you what they think. There are also long, LONG explanations of how private militaries could work, but I don't think they would.
 
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have no interest in politics
:qft: and/or think that it's all bullshit.

Most people I know (IRL, personally) do vote (democrat) but from time to time I have run into the great, wild "I don't vote and I still have the right to complain so fuck you" non-voter. Not a recent phenomenon; it's a dynamic I've run into sometimes as far back as I can remember.

Also, you forgot
"No point, it won't change anything" / "If voting made any difference, they'd make it illegal"
 
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I chose 3, but the ones I've encountered, personally, have mainly fallen into the "no interest in politics" camp. Literally, they'll say..."I don't care about politics. They all lie anyway". Because somehow, these people can't seem to connect "politics" with something that has a direct impact on their lives. They can't connect how electing certain people to office results in laws, regulations, policies and lack of laws, lack of regulations or lack of policies which can, will and do most definitely impact them.

My best friend of almost 30 years never voted until the 2018 midterms. She just didn't see the connection, and to be honest, it wasn't until after Trump that I really started to break it down for her. Drew figurative lines between politicians and how they directly impact each of us. How it matters who we elect from the School Board to the President. Did the same thing with another friend, and she also voted for the first time ever in 2018. Each of these women are in their 50s...one early, one late. They just never thought it mattered to them and impacted them, until their eyes were opened to why it should and how it did.

But not everyone is even open to that influence.
 

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That’s generally my thoughts as well. So it begs the question, to me anyway, who are all these “get out and vote” messages targeting? Dems hoping to pick up net new voters? Or convert those who voted Trump last time? If the later then should the message really be simply a reminder to vote?
I think they often are targeting new/young voters. They historically have some of the lowest voting records. To do so the "get out the vote" voices are often celebrities/performers that may appeal to young people.
 

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The majority are the people who, in their daily lives, it more likely than not doesn't matter who is at the helm. Statistically speaking, it's the working class, including people of color. They are working poor, probably can't vote without losing pay even if they cared to vote.

They're not illegals, so the threat of deportation doesn't affect them directly.
They're already over-policed, living in blue-run urban areas, and POC are racially profiled everywhere.
They're not getting better healthcare, if they're already on Medicaid, or aren't getting any healthcare because their state didn't expand Medicaid anyway.
They're not getting any meaningful tax breaks, they don't get capital gains. Tax credits don't do a whole hell of a lot for these people.

So, given that it doesn't matter which party controls the White House or Congress, why should they lose a day's pay (since in a lot of instances thanks to voter suppression, that is what it will take to vote) to vote? There is the logic. From a certain point of view, they're not wrong since voting will not meaningfully change their station.

It's really fucking disrespectful to call these people idiots.
 

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It's really fucking disrespectful to call these people idiots.
Nobody is calling them idiots. The people you're white-knighting are, statistically, not the majority of non-voters.
 

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The majority are the people who, in their daily lives, it more likely than not doesn't matter who is at the helm. Statistically speaking, it's the working class, including people of color. They are working poor, probably can't vote without losing pay even if they cared to vote.

They're not illegals, so the threat of deportation doesn't affect them directly.
They're already over-policed, living in blue-run urban areas, and POC are racially profiled everywhere.
They're not getting better healthcare, if they're already on Medicaid, or aren't getting any healthcare because their state didn't expand Medicaid anyway.
They're not getting any meaningful tax breaks, they don't get capital gains. Tax credits don't do a whole hell of a lot for these people.

So, given that it doesn't matter which party controls the White House or Congress, why should they lose a day's pay (since in a lot of instances thanks to voter suppression, that is what it will take to vote) to vote? There is the logic. From a certain point of view, they're not wrong since voting will not meaningfully change their station.

It's really fucking disrespectful to call these people idiots.
Unless you own the means of production, unless you're independantly wealthy ...you're working class.

The idea that "in their daily lives it more likely than not doesn't matter who's at the helm" (yes, I'm paraphrasing) is obnoxiously patronizing.

For the people needing bankrupty protection, better (any!) regulation of the payday loan industry, police defunding, college loan reform, etc ...who is at the helm is of utmost importance.

Ok, maybe not in this election (since neither asshole is likely to improve any of those issues); but as a rule yes they are very much effected.

Locally? It's always important to vote, and to participate -even if I understand the frustration driving some folks who don't, that doesn't change the fact that it matters.
 

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Broken poll as can only select 3 items.