Full Frontal Nerdity
- Sep 19, 2018
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I’m an Escaped Catholic.I'm sorry if I offended anybody. I just think that if the Catholic Church were to go away suddenly tomorrow because of the abuse it would need to be replaced by *something*; and that *something* would need to offer similar spirituality to the 1.2 billion world Catholics in terms of worship and liturgy, but structured radically different in an effort to chase down current problems. I think the catholic churches current disgusting stance toward folk catholic traditions stems from institutional anxiety over this very thing.
Edit: and the I'm sorry part isn't sarcasm. Seriously, I'm really sorry if my suggestion caused memories of nun abuse pain!
It has a lot to do with numbers. There are huge differences between dioceses. For instance the bishop of whole Iceland has about 2500 Catholics to serve. That's a number that every city parish pastor has at least double in his parish here in my diocese Roermond Limburg. Our bishop has about 780,000 Catholics to manage.In the Catholic Church, if I tried to contact the archbishop because I was unhappy about something a priest was doing - I'd probably speak to some lower level assistant who would tell me how the archbishop is far too busy and important to talk to the likes of me, and who the hell did I think I was to even try. I've never heard of a Catholic bishop visiting local parishes - anything that involves the bishop requires you go to the Cathedral where he actually serves. But, if he did come out for some kind of special event, he'd stay at a local 5 star hotel, arrive in a limo - and if ice needed to be scraped some assistant would do it.
To me the most disgraceful thing is not the hypocrisy about sex but the extreme opulence and luxury in which these “holy“ men live. How do you draw a line from a poor intinerant Jewish teacher to that? But seems to be okay with the rank and file all these centuries. Reminds me of Trump voters who think voting for an alleged billionaire somehow is in their interest.
My grandmother was devoutly Catholic, and lived in Brooklyn NY. She'd had health problems most of her life, and the idea of death was something she was comfortable joking about. She'd mentioned several times how nice it would be if the bishop could say her funeral mass when the time came, knowing it was rather unlikely.Heck, the man even remembered me from an earlier visit. So even the bishop in a bigger diocese isn't that far away. He will call back personally, if you really need to speak to him.
That's such a painful article to read on so many different levels. As a gay person I understand the emotional pressures that have tortured gay Catholics, and I can understand how they gravitated toward the safe haven the Church could offer them to play a respected role in society. But the corruption and hypocrisy and sheer cruelty that crawls out of the self-loathing Church hierarchy is like playing out Lord of the Flies for centuries.
I've long been entirely convinced that the whole gay-intolerance position of the Catholic Church existed for no other reason than to extort wealth, compliance and service through the threat of both spiritual and physical blackmail.As a gay person I understand the emotional pressures that have tortured gay Catholics, and I can understand how they gravitated toward the safe haven the Church could offer them to play a respected role in society.
So too is the Church of England, of course, but that's not prevented it from having a lot of sexual abusers among its clergy. It's not alone in this, of course:; it seems that Methodists, Baptists and Jehovah's Witnesses over here all acknowledge they've had problems with unrecognised sexual abuse in the past: SEX ABUSE IN CHRISTIAN CHURCHES IN THE UKIt could well be an improvement. I'm a Lutheran, a product of the first Reformation. And, as far as I know, we don't have all of the problems prevalent in the Catholic Church.
It's to do, I am sure, not with religious affiliation but with power structures and how some people -- particularly men, it seems, but probably that's because they're the ones in power -- behave when they think they can get away with it.he Southern Baptist Convention (SBC), one of the largest Christian organizations in the world, is grappling with allegations that more than 250 of its leaders sexually abused more than 700 congregants over the last two decades.
A months-long investigation by the Houston Chronicle and the San Antonio Express-News, published this month, asserted that dozens of churches within the SBC knowingly hired sex offenders, silenced victims, neglected to fire sexually abusive leaders and declined to report cases to secular authorities, or even document them within their own organization.
The SBC is the closest thing evangelicals have to a Vatican. That has lead to the two newspapers’ work being compared to the Boston Globe’s 2002 revelations about sexual abuse within the Catholic church, which were retold in the Oscar-winning film Spotlight.
OH no - they'll cover up in all new ways, so it won't be like usual in the past at all!It seems like we've heard this before:
Pope Francis Vows No More Sex-Abuse Coverups, 'As Was Usual In The Past' | HuffPost
I agree in general with the point that predators know how to choose their prey, but I don't think that can be the whole story.OH no - they'll cover up in all new ways, so it won't be like usual in the past at all!
It's to do, I am sure, not with religious affiliation but with power structures and how some people -- particularly men, it seems, but probably that's because they're the ones in power -- behave when they think they can get away with it.
Predators know how to choose their prey and unfortunately religious communities, school. community sports leagues - tend to make for fruitful hunting grounds.
Though according to the article,Looks like the Anglican Church isn't much better:
Fresno Police arrest Anglican Church priest for series of sex crimes
which is in striking contrast the way the Catholic church (and, historically, several Anglican dioceses in the UK) have handled similar situations.The Anglican Bishop reported Serna, also known as Father Castaneda, to police after he was made aware of the abuse allegations.