That's Racist! (Racists Don't Care)

[WolfEyes]

That was the whole "Age of Aquarius" thinking in the '60s and '70s where so many people figured all that bad karma would be washed away when the hippies had the reins of power.

Hm. That's not how I remember things being.

 

[Argent Stonecutter]

Enough people did that they were writing rock operas about it.

When people of the time pictured the '60s, more people brought up Woodstock than Altamont. Or The Summer of Love.

I'm including the early '70s because "the sixties" really ran from about 1967 to 1974.

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

The Left's Jewish Problem: Jeremy Corbyn, Israel and Anti-Semitis, by Dave Rich, traces the history of the British left's changing attitudes to Israel and the Palestinians since 1948, and the way Tony Blair's decision to join the invasion of Iraq both brought together British leftists and Middle-Eastern Islamists from Hamas and Hezbollah, with the far left coalition behind the Stop the War Coalition (including Jeremy Corbyn) finding themselves at the head of a hugely popular mass movement.

He also makes the point -- which I think is really important, and is one reason why I distrust left populism so much -- that

I appreciate your insight into how this has happened in Britain and I certainly see some vaguely similar mechanisms in the USA. I agree that on the left, it's less about xenophobia and more about misdirected aims to "liberate" people from any potential oppressor. Many leftist anti-Semites over here are very motivated to protect/help Palestinians, which is noble, but their anger gets misdirected. And I have many other reasons to distrust leftist populism even as a leftist. ...many of these same people seem to totally scoff at any kind of pragmatism in a fanatical effort to do anything and everything they view as moral.

 

[Romana]

I appreciate your insight into how this has happened in Britain and I certainly see some vaguely similar mechanisms in the USA. I agree that on the left, it's less about xenophobia and more about misdirected aims to "liberate" people from any potential oppressor. Many leftist anti-Semites over here are very motivated to protect/help Palestinians, which is noble, but their anger gets misdirected. And I have many other reasons to distrust leftist populism even as a leftist. ...many of these same people seem to totally scoff at any kind of pragmatism in a fanatical effort to do anything and everything they view as moral.

It's noble to want to liberate people, but it's more complicated than that. I don't think they're aware of the history that led to the far right being able to take power in Israel and behave as they do.
The destruction of Israel is written into Hamas' charter. There have been so many times over the years that they have attacked Israel (way before it got like this) and broken truces.
I loathe the current Israeli government and their actions, but people have to understand they didn't happen in a vacuum. They don't, however, and and it's easier to just hate Israel and Jews, since to many they're synonymous (narrator : they're really not).
I believe that ordinary Palestinians want peace, and ordinary Israelis, too, but their governments are made up of militaristic assholes.

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

It's noble to want to liberate people, but it's more complicated than that. I don't think they're aware of the history that led to the far right being able to take power in Israel and behave as they do.
The destruction of Israel is written into Hamas' charter. There have been so many times over the years that they have attacked Israel (way before it got like this) and broken truces.
I loathe the current Israeli government and their actions, but people have to understand they didn't happen in a vacuum. They don't, however, and and it's easier to just hate Israel and Jews, since to many they're synonymous (narrator : they're really not).
I believe that ordinary Palestinians want peace, and ordinary Israelis, too, but their governments are made up of militaristic assholes.

Yes, I've gotten yelled at for trying to explain how complicated this situation is to tankies who just think Israel is rich white oppressors.

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

This idiocy bothers me a lot. I've known adopted kids who were treated well, and ones who were NOT treated so well. Very young children shouldn't have tot feel like they have a debt to pay just for being born. I was lucky enough to be a wanted child. That isn't because of my internal virtue, it was just luck. Many adopted children are treated like shit their whole lives and told they should be grateful for the privilege.

I've also heard so many cartoonishly terrible stories of adopted kids who were raised with biological children. Some such parents don't even try to hide the double standard, such as telling the adopted kid they can't go upstairs because that's where the "real family lives." What do you think that does to a child? And the adopted kid is supposed to be grateful for this kind of upbringing?

 

[Ashiri]

British leftists and Middle-Eastern Islamists from Hamas and Hezbollah, with the far left coalition behind the Stop the War Coalition

Something similar seemed to happen in NZ too. I've always been wary of protests because of who else comes along, and in the case of the protests against the Iraq invasion, antisemites were in clear view.

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

Something similar seemed to happen in NZ too. I've always been wary of protests because of who else comes along, and in the case of the protests against the Iraq invasion, antisemites were in clear view.

Just goes to show that even a broken clock is right twice a day. The Iraq invasion was a HORRIBLE idea even if some people came to that conclusion for awful reasons.

 

[Ashiri]

Just goes to show that even a broken clock is right twice a day. The Iraq invasion was a HORRIBLE idea even if some people came to that conclusion for awful reasons.

The invasion was a fuck-up but I'd be wary of thinking the antisemites gave a fuck about the Iraqis.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

telling the adopted kid they can't go upstairs because that's where the "real family lives."

 

[Innula Zenovka]

It's noble to want to liberate people, but it's more complicated than that. I don't think they're aware of the history that led to the far right being able to take power in Israel and behave as they do.
The destruction of Israel is written into Hamas' charter. There have been so many times over the years that they have attacked Israel (way before it got like this) and broken truces.
I loathe the current Israeli government and their actions, but people have to understand they didn't happen in a vacuum. They don't, however, and and it's easier to just hate Israel and Jews, since to many they're synonymous (narrator : they're really not).
I believe that ordinary Palestinians want peace, and ordinary Israelis, too, but their governments are made up of militaristic assholes.

Speaking as someone who was very much influenced by what was then the new left, in the 1960s and 70s, I was really struck, on reading Dave Rich's account that I mentioned earlier, how the Palestinian resistance movement has changed over time.

The PLO back then considered themselves a secular, socialist, anti-colonialist, national liberation movement, inspired in part by Frantz Fanon. Hamas and Hezbollah are something very different indeed -- they're populist, antisemitic, Islamists, with views, including violent antisemitism, that I associate with the far right, and which the left would rightly condemn coming from anyone else.

To my mind, too, the only people who're going to make peace are the Israelis and the Palestinians themselves, since they know what they're fighting about, and no one else does, and it's a simple statement of the obvious that neither the Israeli government nor the electorate will accept any settlement that doesn't recognize Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state within more or less its current borders and doesn't guarantee its security (and I don't think any reasonable person, putting themselves in the shoes of an ordinary Israeli, would expect them to agree to anything else).

Quite simply, no set of proposals or demands that don't recognize that reality has any chance of success, and I doubt they're ever made in good faith.

 

[danielravennest]

Sure is a horrible, offensive commercial.

Does the lady think they should only use white chocolate in their commercials?

 

[Soen Eber]

Speaking as someone who was very much influenced by what was then the new left, in the 1960s and 70s, I was really struck, on reading Dave Rich's account that I mentioned earlier, how the Palestinian resistance movement has changed over time.

The PLO back then considered themselves a secular, socialist, anti-colonialist, national liberation movement, inspired in part by Frantz Fanon. Hamas and Hezbollah are something very different indeed -- they're populist, antisemitic, Islamists, with views, including violent antisemitism, that I associate with the far right, and which the left would rightly condemn coming from anyone else.

To my mind, too, the only people who're going to make peace are the Israelis and the Palestinians themselves, since they know what they're fighting about, and no one else does, and it's a simple statement of the obvious that neither the Israeli government nor the electorate will accept any settlement that doesn't recognize Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state within more or less its current borders and doesn't guarantee its security (and I don't think any reasonable person, putting themselves in the shoes of an ordinary Israeli, would expect them to agree to anything else).

Quite simply, no set of proposals or demands that don't recognize that reality has any chance of success, and I doubt they're ever made in good faith.

Anyone who seriously proposed that would probably get either killed or "encouraged" to move.

 

[Romana]

Anyone who seriously proposed that would probably get either killed or "encouraged" to move.

But they have proposed it. Maybe not in Israeli or Palestinian lands , but I do recall reading about outside pressure on Israel to do just that. And go back to the 1967 borders.
It would be far less painful for Hamas to take destroying Israel out of their charter. Someone could think of a sufficiently Islamic reason to do so. Perhaps they're afraid the next group of homicidal religious zealots would oust them.

 

[Free]

Torrance police traded racist, homophobic texts. It could jeopardize hundreds of cases

The Times has identified a dozen Torrance police officers who are under investigation for sharing racist and homophobic text messages and images.

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The caption read “hanging with the homies.”

The picture above it showed several Black men who had been lynched.

Another photo asked what someone should do if their girlfriend was having an affair with a Black man. The answer, according to the caption, was to break “a tail light on his car so the police will stop him and shoot him.”

Someone else sent a picture of a candy cane, a Christmas tree ornament, a star for the top of the tree and an “enslaved person.”

“Which one doesn’t belong?” the caption asked.

“You don’t hang the star,” someone wrote back.

The comments represent a sliver of a trove of racist text messages exchanged by more than a dozen current and former Torrance police officers and recruits.

Through interviews with sources with direct knowledge of the investigation, public records requests and a review of district attorney’s office records, The Times examined some of the contents of the until-now secret texts and identified a dozen Torrance police officers under investigation for exchanging them.

The broad scope of the racist text conversations, which prosecutors said went on for years, has created a crisis for the Torrance Police Department and could jeopardize hundreds of criminal cases in which the officers either testified or made arrests. California Atty. Gen. Rob Bonta said Wednesday his office will investigate the department in the wake of the scandal.

 

[Free]

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[Innula Zenovka]

Blimey! I knew that David Icke -- who I still think of as the bloke who announced he was the son of God on Wogan, who ended up telling him, "they're not laughing with you. They're laughing at you" on national live tv -- had moved from new age crackpot with a thing about lizards to antisemite, but I hadn't realized how vile he is or how many people attend his stadium shows.

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We seem to see Icke as a likeable fool rather than the dangerous individual he really is. As Justine Ehrlich pointed out to me.. ‘It’s the kind of crypto-fascism you need to get knee deep in to call, that in part is why it is so dirty.’

 

[Argent Stonecutter]

I suspect the lizard thing was coded antisemitism in the first place.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

I suspect the lizard thing was coded antisemitism in the first place.

I agree, but I suspect, too, that the original series of V, which played here a few years before he started to go bonkers, something to do with it, as well.

V (1983)

This page is for the 1983 miniseries and its sequels. For the 2009 reimagining try V (2009). A militaristic alien starfleet arrives on Earth from Sirius, and its people, human-like aliens, appeal to Earth to help produce chemicals to save their …

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[Romana]

I thought Icke was always an antisemite?
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