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When I first started using Linux in 2022, I did it exactly that way - bought a separate drive, installed that OS on it, and then whenever I booted my computer I could choose which OS I wanted to use. I had that separate Windows install hanging around all the way up until just last month actually, when I finally got rid of it and repurposed that drive, and I felt comfortable doing that just because it had been close to a year since the last time I'd really *needed* to boot Windows for anything, other than keeping Windows itself updated. But yeah, it's super useful to have around, especially at the beginning when you're just starting to dip your toe into Linux.

In fact, it's probably really the only safe way to have both. I have seen reports from time to time that if you try to install both Windows and Linux partitions on a single drive, they'll tend to fight - often Windows will do things that just break or even flat out delete the other partition.
I've had that happen personally a long time ago and from others more recently. One thing that should be safe is having two actual drives in the same computer. At least I have never heard of someone having a problem with that.
 
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I've had that happen personally a long time ago and from others more recently. One thing that should be safe is having two actual drives in the same computer. At least I have never heard of someone having a problem with that.
I had Windows install itself so it booted using something on the Linux disk, though the actual boot was on the Windows disk. Windows would not boot without both disks connected, it would start coming up and crash. If the Windows disk wasn't there the Linux boot loader didn't care.

Later on it decided it owned both disks and turned the Linux disk into an empty Windows partition called System, that wasn't the actual system partition which was on the other disk and called Windows.

So... I suggest leaving the Linux disk disconnected during install of Windows, and vice versa. GRUB or LILO can handle chain booting windows after everything comes back together.
 
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BTW - if your Windows drive is formatted as NTFS, your Linux OS should be able to read/write to and from it just fine. Meaning if there's a document in your Windows drive that you need to grab while you're in Linux you can just mount the drive and go into it and get it, and even save back to it. Very convenient! I don't think it works if your Windows drive is FAT, though. And I don't think it works the other way around (read/writing the Linux drive from inside Windows), but a USB drive solves that problem easy enough.
It may have changed, but this is actually also great for file discovery.

You have a crashed PC, but the drive is good, you stick it in a USB adaptor in another Windows machine, and the Windows machine gets snotty about accounts.

Attach it to a Linux machine and Linux just walks right in.
 
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So by one you all call it safety issues be cause they have already two patches out this month.
And with the other you all hail that there is very little safety build in and call it flexibility?
Mmmm... interesting stuff to chew on.
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In other news I bought a new machine, because the current one is borking big time and can't be updated to windows 11 when Microsoft calls it a day with updating end of the year. So I think that bring it in for a repair isn't a smart option.
So I will be a Windows 11 user in a few days. Not what I koped for, but that is life.
 

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BTW - if your Windows drive is formatted as NTFS, your Linux OS should be able to read/write to and from it just fine. Meaning if there's a document in your Windows drive that you need to grab while you're in Linux you can just mount the drive and go into it and get it, and even save back to it. Very convenient! I don't think it works if your Windows drive is FAT, though. And I don't think it works the other way around (read/writing the Linux drive from inside Windows), but a USB drive solves that problem easy enough.
Linux is able to mount FAT formatted storage devices since ages with read/write access. It supports FAT12/16, also FAT32 and is able to use VFAT for long file names.

It also supports ExFAT.

There are also indeed some Linux file system drivers running under Windows. The easiest way nowadays though is to just use WSL under Linux and mount the partition that way, because it then directly utilises the Linux kernel in the virtual machine.

But there's also a native Windows driver for ext2/3/4: GitHub - bobranten/Ext4Fsd: Ext4 file system driver for Windows

There's also a native Windows driver for Btrfs: GitHub - maharmstone/btrfs: WinBtrfs - an open-source btrfs driver for Windows

But again safest way is just using WSL and then exporting the file system as network share via Samba.
 
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And with the other you all hail that there is very little safety build in and call it flexibility?
If there is no technical protection controlling access to the files then there was never any fucking safety there.

It's like some old mainframe-era systems let you put a password on a file that was just a field in a file header.
 
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Microsoft is going to fix Windows 11 this year, they swear!

I don't see how, since you have to acknowledge that the problem is a problem before you can fix it and while Microslop says it's "aware" that there is a lot of negative sentiment for Windows over their Copilot push, it's not at all clear whether that means they agree that the Copilot push is the problem.
 

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Microsoft bans the word "Microslop" on its Discord server, then locks the server after backlash

This kind of lockdown is fine as long as the moderators’ goal is to pause activity and prevent further escalation before normal discussions resume. But at this point, we’re not sure if the server will continue to function as it used to.

Microsoft’s brand image might already be at an all-time low, and even as the company announced plans to fix Windows 11 with performance improvements and less AI, the software giant can’t risk getting more hatred towards their expensive investment in Copilot, especially since Microsoft’s head start in AI is starting to be overshadowed by competitors like Anthropic, Google, OpenAI, and maybe even Apple in the near future.
 

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That's a...macrohard way to learn a lesson.
 

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Microsoft is going to fix Windows 11 this year, they swear!

I don't see how, since you have to acknowledge that the problem is a problem before you can fix it and while Microslop says it's "aware" that there is a lot of negative sentiment for Windows over their Copilot push, it's not at all clear whether that means they agree that the Copilot push is the problem.
Well the thing is thanks to Valve's Proton there is now quite the movement of gaming/tech Youtubers switching over to Linux gaming distributions like CachyOS, Nobara or Bazzite.

And quite many of them are hyped about how snappy suddenly their gaming rig feels without all the bloated stuff Windows runs in the background. They are thrilled about not having to create an account somewhere first in order to install an operating system. And mostly that suddenly they do feel in charge again, and that the OS does not feel like one big data grabbing tool for its creator. As great side effect and totally free most games are even running a little better in terms of FPS than under Windows.

More importantly Nvidia jumped on that bandwagon right now as well, wanting to improve the performance of Proton and Vulkan under Linux.

So this is something probably only few saw coming - Linux becoming a serious competitor in the gaming area for Windows.
 

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Huh, Nobara and Bazzite are Fedora based, and CachyOS is Arch. No Debian-based gaming Linux? No Gentoo?
 

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My Dev One came with Pop OS and it was OK but it was basically just a weird Ubuntu. Which I eventually switched to. Are they calling it a "gaming Linux"?
 

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My Dev One came with Pop OS and it was OK but it was basically just a weird Ubuntu. Which I eventually switched to. Are they calling it a "gaming Linux"?
I thi k its considered somewhat gaming optimized, but I am not sure if its to the level of the others.
 

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But let's say: a lot.