Nobody Cares: PRS

Bartholomew Gallacher

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 26, 2018
Messages
6,797
SL Rez
2002
Last edited:

Cindy Claveau

Radical Left Degenerate
Joined
Sep 21, 2018
Messages
3,488
Location
US
SL Rez
2005
Joined SLU
June 2007
SLU Posts
44403
Trump’s 'secret surgery tab' leaked: Surgeon says he outspent Melania by millions on hair and teeth

:freakout:

Donald Trump has reportedly splashed out a hefty sum on cosmetic procedures, with the family's total expenditure approaching a staggering $1 million over time.

Celebrity plastic surgeon Dr Gary Motykie has suggested that the ex-President, often lauded by supporters for his assertive leadership, has spent a significant amount on hair restoration efforts, even rivaling his wife Melania.

Dr Motykie estimates that Trump has shelled out around $160,000 on plastic surgery including hair transplants, showing evidence of multiple hair surgeries, such as hairline advancement and flap technique operations.
 

Dakota Tebaldi

Well-known member
VVO Supporter 🍦🎈👾❤
Joined
Sep 19, 2018
Messages
9,680
Location
Ohio
Joined SLU
02-22-2008
SLU Posts
16791
I think this saw no one coming: Enron is officially back in business, and their mission now is to solve the global - not only national - energy crisis. Yummy!
4. Permissionless Innovation - Decentralized technology is advancing, and we will of course have a role to play in its future.
LOL it's being reborn as a crypto scam, how appropriate.
 
  • 1Agree
Reactions: Ryanna Enfield

Kamilah Hauptmann

Shitpost Sommelier
Joined
Sep 20, 2018
Messages
14,987
Location
Cat Country (Can't Stop Here)
SL Rez
2005
Joined SLU
Reluctantly
Few things turn me into a financial ultraconservative like the words, "Permissionless innovation."
 

WolfEyes

Well known member no one knows
Joined
Sep 20, 2018
Messages
4,502
SL Rez
2004
Joined SLU
2009
Much of the US Constitution and system of government seems pretty grotesque to me as a Brit, and doubtless to most other Europeans and non-Americans, too. It was, after all, drafted by a group of C18th savants and land-owners, primarily English and many of whom owned enslaved people, using the models with which they were most familiar (the English parliamentary system and their understanding of the Roman Republic), so it's hardly surprising that, some 270 years later, it looks rather outdated and unfit for purpose.

If someone nowadays were drafting a constitution for a liberal, democratic, federal republic they'd look to Germany for a model rather than the US, not least because the Grundgesetz was written some 200 years after the US constitution, by people were able to look to the US and elsewhere to see what worked and what didn't.

But that's not the point. The US has its own particular constitution and history, and we all of us have to live in the world as it is, not as we'd like it to be. Changing the US Constitution is a very difficult process and, particular at the moment, would probably result in something even worse than what they currently have.
Um...

 

Dakota Tebaldi

Well-known member
VVO Supporter 🍦🎈👾❤
Joined
Sep 19, 2018
Messages
9,680
Location
Ohio
Joined SLU
02-22-2008
SLU Posts
16791
I don't know if you guys noticed or not, but South Korea was under martial law for like 12 hours today. It's been pretty wild.

Basically President Yun Suk Yeol declared martial law last night at around 11pm local. His substantial grievances seem to be the majority-liberal South Korean Parliament's refusal to pass his proposed budget (Yun belongs to the conservative party) along with corruption investigations against several top government officials which Yun deems unfair.

Yun is not a very popular president. He won in 2022 with less than a 1% margin, and this spring's elections shifted the Parliament markedly to the left. Yun has basically been lame-duck ever since. In a speech last night he framed these issues as a North Korean and anti-state plot to disrupt the democratic functioning of South Korea's government, giving him "no choice" but to declare martial law.

As the South Korean military surrounded a barricaded Parliament building and declared all Parliament activity suspended, Parliament met anyway and a quorum of 190 lawmakers, including many from Yun's own party, unanimously declared the martial law declaration unconstitutional and nullified. The military soon withdrew from the building and President Yun a short time ago made another address in which he announced that he had agreed to cancel martial law.
 

Innula Zenovka

Nasty Brit
VVO Supporter 🍦🎈👾❤
Joined
Sep 20, 2018
Messages
23,625
SLU Posts
18459
Yes, they got the idea of a multi-state confederacy from the Native nations, but the presidency, the senate and the congress look to me very like the British monarchy, House of Lords and House of Commons, combined with contemporary ideas of what the Roman Senate was like.

I don't think the colonists were particularly interested in democracy as we understand the term. Both contemporary European political thinking and that of the classical Greek and Roman theorists with whom they were familiar saw democracy as something dangerous, since it was so susceptible to manipulation by demagogues and thus likely to collapse into tyranny.

Do you say that the US presidency, senate and congress were also borrowed from the native Americans?
 
  • 1Agree
Reactions: Veritable Quandry

Innula Zenovka

Nasty Brit
VVO Supporter 🍦🎈👾❤
Joined
Sep 20, 2018
Messages
23,625
SLU Posts
18459
Did you read the article?
Yes, and I took from it that the authors of the US constitution borrowed from the native Americans the idea of a confederation of states. However, it seemed silent on the topic of the executive presidency, the senate and house of representatives and the electoral college. Did I miss something?
 

Veritable Quandry

Specializing in derails and train wrecks.
Joined
Sep 19, 2018
Messages
5,265
Location
Columbus, OH
SL Rez
2010
Joined SLU
20something
SLU Posts
42
The US Constitution was intended to serve as a reform to existing British institutions, at least how they functioned in the colonies. Having a single written document containing the method of government was itself a reform, as in the UK then as now constitutional government is laid out across multiple laws. By the time of the American Revolution, Britain had established local assemblies in every colony with some level of home rule. It was disagreements over the extent of that home rule that led to the Stamp Act protests in the 1760s and then the decision to declare independence in 1776.

In getting rid of the Monarchy, they decided to have a strong executive who was indirectly elected (electors are still not bound to a candidate in the Constitution but their selection mechanisms in the states ensures the overwhelming majority vote as planned, and no election has been thrown by rogue electors). eta: Most colonies had a Royal Governor, appointed by the Crown, as chief executive with an elected assembly representing land owners. The Senate was originally appointed by the states according to their own various methods, either by the state legislatures or the Governors of states. It was intended to have a similar function to the House of Lords, which had more power in British government at the time than it does now. The primary function being to slow down democratic movements.

As in the UK, voting in the colonies was based on paying a poll tax, meaning you had property or business interests. After 1800 states changed to "universal suffrage" which allowed any free male over 21 to vote. In the colonies women who owned property (usually widows holding property until their minor sons came of age or they remarried) could vote, as could free blacks if they paid poll taxes. The new laws allowed more men to vote but put race and sex restrictions in place.

There are specific issues that are addressed in the US Constitution that would later happen in the UK. One example is the requirement for a ten-year census. Many seats in Parliament were based on medieval population, and by 1776 the industrial revolution had caused cities to grow while rural districts had lost population. As the colonies did not exist when districts were formed, there were no North American members of Parliament, but the same could be said of several large cities in England as well. That made "no taxation without representation" a rallying cry in the colonies (they did not oppose taxes, but held that colonists could only be taxed by colonial assemblies, while port duties were the prerogative of the Crown through Parliament in Westminster). Shortly after 1800 the UK began taking a 10-year census as well, and districts eventually came to match population.

So in may ways our constitution was quite modern in 1789, it has not kept up with modern needs. We are stuck with an Enlightenment document that does not even mention political parties and has outdated remnants of our slaveholding past. Because the United Kingdom has a series of laws that lay out government, they have been able to adjust their institutions in a way that is now impossible in the US.
 
Last edited:

WolfEyes

Well known member no one knows
Joined
Sep 20, 2018
Messages
4,502
SL Rez
2004
Joined SLU
2009
Yes, and I took from it that the authors of the US constitution borrowed from the native Americans the idea of a confederation of states. However, it seemed silent on the topic of the executive presidency, the senate and house of representatives and the electoral college. Did I miss something?
No, you didn't miss anything, other than the answer to your question was answered in the article. I have never claimed the whole enchilada was based off Iroquois.

The important part was this:
The founders were impressed by how the Iroquois legislated their affairs and shortly thereafter, they drafted the U.S. Constitution echoing the Great Law of Peace. Historians agree the Iroquois wielded a major influence in the writings of the U.S. Constitution.
 
  • 1Thanks
Reactions: Innula Zenovka

Soen Eber

Vatican mole
VVO Supporter 🍦🎈👾❤
Joined
Sep 20, 2018
Messages
3,931
I know members of the Iroquois confederation were kept upstairs during the drafting process and delegates were constantly going to them asking for advice and details. It's really something I should study more.
 
  • 1Like
Reactions: WolfEyes