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Trying to completely restructure the U.S. Government and elections system would require an incredibly complex constitutional amendment to be ratified by all the states. Not. going. to. happen.
What I was trying to say was that even if we could change the very basis of a 200 year old system, the same things would hasppen regardless. The rich and powerful will always take care of their friends, just like with Justice Thomas.

What we need is not so much a retooling of the system of governance but a spiritual reawakening to the sacred secular.
 
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What I was trying to say was that even if we could change the very basis of a 200 year old system, the same things would hasppen regardless. The rich and powerful will always take care of their friends, just like with Justice Thomas.

What we need is not so much a retooling of the system of governance but a spiritual reawakening to the sacred secular.
I always think it's better to try to promote justice & integrity and fail than to never start in the first place.
 
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What I was trying to say was that even if we could change the very basis of a 200 year old system, the same things would hasppen regardless. The rich and powerful will always take care of their friends, just like with Justice Thomas.
It's very tempting to see all these issues of inequality and corruption as failures of a moral compass at the individual level. If only everyone would be a nice person, we'd live in a better world.

But the real problem is systemic, not individual. There will always be -- regardless of species -- a dynamic tension between the needs of the One versus the needs of the Group. This is our essential animal nature, constantly asking "What is in it for me?" as well as "How can I help my pack?" Keeping those two impulses in balance improves our chances of long-term survival.

That dynamic, however, does not scale well above the tribal level. Once you get beyond personal interactions that reinforce obligations and responsibilities to each other, based on kinship and life-long social ties, the checks and balances easily get out of kilter. Waaay out of kilter, before they collapse and a new system takes its place. New systems always seem to solve the problems of the old system, but as they age, they also fall prey to cronyism and greed. Whether it's feudal society or a democracy, the sheer size of the population overwhelms our ability to foster and promote "good" behavior.
 
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I saw and heard this on TV last night:


I'm just imagining MAGAs' heads exploding when they heard that!
 

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That dynamic, however, does not scale well above the tribal level. Once you get beyond personal interactions that reinforce obligations and responsibilities to each other, based on kinship and life-long social ties, the checks and balances easily get out of kilter.
I think events like this may have been the trigger for the Axial age, where religion and systems of state-sponsored philosophy stepped in to fill the gap between the tribe and the nation, and then later with constitutional governance and democratic systems held accountable by a free press.

But what can step in now, since corruption has so enmeshed even religion and our system of democracy, and the press is to a large part either captive or diminished? AI?
 
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Trying to completely restructure the U.S. Government and elections system would require an incredibly complex constitutional amendment to be ratified by all the states. Not. going. to. happen.
3/4 of the states but yeah.
 

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Yeah I don't know if constitutional amendments are really possible anymore now that the country is the size that it is. Something would have to be tremendously and universally popular to pass, and I don't know if there's anything like that left.
 

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Yeah I don't know if constitutional amendments are really possible anymore now that the country is the size that it is. Something would have to be tremendously and universally popular to pass, and I don't know if there's anything like that left.
A genuine national referendum on abortion would come real close.
 

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Most people I knew who identified as Republicans left around 2010 when the Tea Party movement was in full swing.
OMGosh, I wish....I sometimes hear much younger relatives spouting magat talking points & have to clamp my mouth shut.
My daughter gives me the 'ol stink eye, as even at her age she recognizes the BS.
 

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The tsunami following yesterdays earthquake was not as bad as the one everyone remembers from years ago, but there has still been some devastation:


Those pictures are from the town of Suzu in Ishikawa prefecture, the little peninsula in the middle of the northern shore of the main island. This is the area that was expected to get the worst of the tsunami.

There is some earthquake damage in a few places around the country though. So far the authorities have reported 48 dead. :(
 

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Separately from the earthquake, last night a passenger plane that had just landed at Tokyo's Haneda airport, caught fire after it reportedly struck a Coast Guard plane that was on the runway for some reason? Once the plane stopped all of the passengers and crew were evacuated and survived the incident. The plane was soon destroyed by the fire. Not a great start to 2024 for Japan, geez.

 
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Separately from the earthquake, last night a passenger plane that had just landed at Tokyo's Haneda airport, caught fire after it reportedly struck a Coast Guard plane that was on the runway for some reason? Once the plane stopped all of the passengers and crew were evacuated and survived the incident. The plane was soon destroyed by the fire. Not a great start to 2024 for Japan, geez.
Everyone on the commercial flight survived but five crew members on the coast guard plane died.
 

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Everyone on the commercial flight survived but five crew members on the coast guard plane died.
That hadn't been reported yet when I saw the story but - looking at the video, yeah, I don't suppose it could have gone any other way. That was a big explosion and the coast guard plane was much smaller than the airliner.

I wonder what happened.

Statement from Airbus on the accident
 
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Juan explains the runway accident:


The Japanese Coast Guard plane was carrying some relief supplies for the tsunami-struck region. 😔
 
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I'm so confused.

 
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