Yay! Nobody Cares about Tickle Me Elmo Musk

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The Irony here is that Musk probably sees himself as Gandalf advising Aragorn (Trump).
He's invested too much into his "Dr. Evil" aka "Black MAGA" reputation to be anything remotely heroic at this point. He's Mordred come to end Camelot.

I hope, when this is all over, that they're sharing a federal max security black site cell with each other for the rest of their days.
 

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If anyone's interested in finding out more about (or supporting) the people producing the anti-Musk adverts in the UK....



 

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Will Locket is roasting SpaceX with its Starship quite angrily, taking no prisoners... basically telling that SpaceX is a pile of overhyped trash not delivering any of its promises.

Starship had so far 7 failed tests. The reason why is a fuel leak mid flight. He's arguing that this stuff is common, and the knowledge how to prevent it has been around since decades. When NASA deferred the first Artemis 1 launch because of fuel leaks, they fixed the problem and it completed its mission flawlessly.

SpaceX instead makes things go kaboom, also indicating more importantly they are not using after that tried and trusted technology like x-ray analysis, fuel system overpressurisation and more to fix the mistake once and for all. So Locket really doubts how SpaceX is developing the rocket at all.

Even worse, the good old Saturn V rocket still beats Starship at all major points namely reliability, payload and launch cost:

"Over 50 years ago, NASA was able to get its Saturn V, a rocket nearly as large as Starship, to fly without ever having a failed launch over its 13-launch, six-year operational lifespan. This was a rocket designed with computers less powerful than a Casio watch, built with far less accurate techniques and materials, with check systems and procedures infinitely less sophisticated than anything today. Yet, engineers were able to ensure it never had a launch failure, even during testing.

Technologically speaking, the Saturn V was a caveman rocket, yet it was infinitely more useful and reliable than the high-tech Starship.

But somehow, Musk found a way to make this all so much worse.

Starship was meant to be able to take 100 tonnes to Low Earth Orbit (LEO) and be fully reusable afterwards. That is 41.5 tonnes less than Saturn V, but the reusability should have made it significantly cheaper. Unfortunately, it seems Musk overestimated how much thrust their engines can produce, and as such, he has had to admit that the current design can only take “40–50 tons to orbit,” with no obvious way to correct this.

This means that, even if SpaceX can get their Starship to work, their Falcon Heavy rocket will actually be cheaper per kilogram to orbit!

What’s more, if you actually look at how expensive Starship launches actually are, its kilogram-to-orbit cost is the same as Saturn V! (read more here).

So, basically, the NASA of over 50 years ago is beating SpaceX at their own game."


 

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This also just reeks of the mindset of Musk and people like Musk.

"The current process is so bad and inefficient."

Yeah, because they spend decades learning from CATASTROPHIC MISTAKES and learned that doing this properly and right, might take a bit more time and money.
 

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Stable geniuses, aka humble narcissists self-aggrandizing, apparently abound. Go figure! /end sarcasm
 
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Yeah, because they spend decades learning from CATASTROPHIC MISTAKES and learned that doing this properly and right, might take a bit more time and money.
Well there is a word for it: engineering!

Engineers all over the world work that way: make a grave mistake once, learn from it, find a way to fix it and never make it happen again.

That's one of the most importants foundations of modern engineering. Just take for example the Tacoma Narrows Bridge of 1940, which was destroyed by the wind. Engineers looked at it, learned from it, fixed it - and this type of mistake never, ever happened again around the globe! Why did it not happen again? Because the lesson learned has been given from one generation of engineers to the next one. And good engineers do honor that experience, that's how engineering works.

So what Musk is doing is shitting at the foundations of modern day engineering itself.
 
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Well there is a word for it: engineering!

Engineers all over the world work that way: make a grave mistake once, learn from it, find a way to fix it and never make it happen again.

That's one of the most importants foundations of modern engineering. Just take for example the Tacoma Narrows Bridge of 1940, which was destroyed by the wind. Engineers looked at it, learned from it, fixed it - and this type of mistake never, ever happened again around the globe! Why did it not happen again? Because the lesson learned has been given from one generation of engineers to the next one. And good engineers do honor that experience, that's how engineering works.

So what Musk is doing is shitting at the foundations of modern day engineering itself.
Engineering standards are written in blood. Musk prefers a dry-erase board. He's always been about fast iteration and taking chances, and it's showing.
 

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Maybe that explains why I dislike him (I have a degree in Engineering).
Typical idiot dillatante behavior. "This is all too complicated and doesn't make sense. You need to throw out all that baggage and start over. Just do it the way I tell you too, and if it's not perfect, that's your fault for not understanding my *simple* requirements."

That kind of rancid BS was (and is still, I'm sure) so prevalent in the corporate world, especially when leadership was chosen by nepotism.

I moved from dev to systems administration to get away from it for a while, it was too confusing for mismanagement to second guess my team. And when their 'just do more with less' impossible demands resulted in downtime or production delays and complaints from other departments, crisis brinksmanship got out budgets approved.

So glad I'm not part of that world anymore. Ai probably makes it even worse.
 

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So glad I'm not part of that world anymore. Ai probably makes it even worse.
I imagine it is. My company honestly seems pretty good overall for just not being complete dicks to employees, though to hear anyone who has been here 40+ years talk, they are all very paranoid.

That said, lately it feels like they have started to get nitpicky about a lot of the "internal tracking". Tickets and time tracking apps etc. it's not terrible, but I have the suspicion that some 5th or 6th level c-suite suit is trying to force everything into a perfect round AI reporting hole.

It's basically the new "Make all the spreadsheet numbers green" bull shit, on steroids.
 

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...also, people really don't love his products. His products have mostly not been that successful. they love his STOCKS. And with them the false promises and sometimes outright securities fraud he's done to pump them up. Tesla still has an absurd P/E of 116.75. His wealth is mostly valuation from the stock market, not real produced wealth.

Also, it's very telling how he said "physically" hurt anyone. He knows he's hurt a lot of people, just not with his own hands....
 

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Nobody's ever "physically" hurt Elon Musk either, so if that's the measure then what is he whining about?
GOOD POINT. The left just hurts his feelings, A LOT.

Unfortunately elon chickened out on the boxing fight with zuck. He would have gotten quite bruised. Not that I like zuck either but still.
I am no fan of Zuck, but do view him as the lesser evil in that match up. And Zuck most certainly would have just about killed Musk. I'd have LOVED to see it.
 

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He's previously stated he has trained in Kyokushin Karate, Judo, Taekwondo, and dabbled in Brazilian jiu-jitsu. Zuck has experience in BJJ and MMA. Which all that stuff is super great on paper but to be honest they both act like somebody who have never been bopped in the face.
 
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lol I can't put a dog in that fight, I couldn't even back when it was a thing people were talking about. Two weedy richboy techbros, who spent maybe a few days each in a McDojo. I frankly don't see any clear winner between either of them.