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IMHO it is mostly window dressing. Look how active we try to solve the problem. (With means that will solve nothing or very little).
 

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IMHO it is mostly window dressing. Look how active we try to solve the problem. (With means that will solve nothing or very little).
The new rules, which come into effect this time next month, will be policed by the regulator OFCOM, who have the power to levy substantial fines and, if necessary, ask the courts to order UK ISPs to block sites completely.

They've already hit OnlyFans with a fine of >£1,000,000 earlier this year.



We'll just have to see, I guess, how it works out, but it seems to me that that both the online porn industry and commercial age verification services have a not-inconsiderable financial incentive to get it right.
 
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We'll just have to see, I guess, how it works out, but it seems to me that that both the online porn industry and commercial age verification services have a not-inconsiderable financial incentive to get it right.
Could be, but pornhub has blocked several states from viewing due to age requirement laws.
 

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Could be, but pornhub has blocked several states from viewing due to age requirement laws.
Yes, but, nevertheless this discussion started with the news that


Since the population of Texas is something over half that of the UK, I suspect that, while PornHub and their advertisers aren't too worried about Texan visitors to the site using vpns that put them in a different state, having all UK visitors appear to be from New York or California would be too great a distortion of their visitor numbers.
 
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an alarming number of teens and even younger children report having encountered hard-core violent porn, frequently by accident
Kids today can just randomly stumble into some terrible shit.
access them accidentally by clicking on links (as apparently about half of the younger children who access these sites say they did), or out of idle curiosity.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhtttttttttt....... "accidentally." I happen to have heard that story before in my very own household. More diligent investigation consisted of, "Please show me on the computer how this accident happened." The accident turned out to be "accidentally" typing in a rather lengthy url shared by a friend then clicking through the guardrail then spending hours "accidentally" viewing the site.

Not saying it couldn't happen -- god knows there are people out there who seem to create a catastrophe every time they touch a computer and some of them are no doubt under 18. However, I think the "accidental" viewing problem is a bit, shall we say, overestimated.
 
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Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhtttttttttt....... "accidentally." I happen to have heard that story before in my very own household. More diligent investigation consisted of, "Please show me on the computer how this accident happened." The accident turned out to be "accidentally" typing in a rather lengthy url shared by a friend then clicking through the guardrail then spending hours "accidentally" viewing the site.

Not saying it couldn't happen -- god knows there are people out there who seem to create a catastrophe every time they touch a computer and some of them are no doubt under 18. However, I think the "accidental" viewing problem is a bit, shall we say, overestimated.
You're mostly right, but some sites like reddit make it pretty easy to just click a link that could go ANYWHERE. The more important point I was making was that getting porn before ubiquitous internet took a lot more effort as opposed to anytime, anywhere.
 

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Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhtttttttttt....... "accidentally." I happen to have heard that story before in my very own household. More diligent investigation consisted of, "Please show me on the computer how this accident happened." The accident turned out to be "accidentally" typing in a rather lengthy url shared by a friend then clicking through the guardrail then spending hours "accidentally" viewing the site.

Not saying it couldn't happen -- god knows there are people out there who seem to create a catastrophe every time they touch a computer and some of them are no doubt under 18. However, I think the "accidental" viewing problem is a bit, shall we say, overestimated.
This is based on a 2023 report commissioned by the UK's Children's Commissioner. It follows an earlier, 2017 report. Both reports contain discussions of their methodology, and I think the context (anonymous responses to an online forum based on controlled sample groups, plus controlled focus groups). As far as I can tell, the authors of the reports are serious academics who are aware of the difficulties involved in conducting these surveys.

From what I've read elsewhere, "by accident" in this context, seems to mean "by clicking on a series of algorithm-driven links that came up on TikTok (or similar)" as opposed to "by setting out to look for porn."
 

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Kid's know about VPN too.
 

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Kid's know about VPN too.
Yes, which at least means they're less likely to access such sites through casual browsing (assuming they have a VPN on their phone, tablet or laptop).
 
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First they will require hurdles to view porn and next it will be violence and there goes the news on the web unless you show a credit card.
 
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First they will require hurdles to view porn and next it will be violence and there goes the news on the web unless you show a credit card.
In the US, possibly, but this is the UK. This is the type of content covered by the Online Safety Act


It seems to me utterly improbable that any government would want to, or that parliament would agree to any extension of the Act's provisions that would necessitate showing a credit card to access unpaywalled news sites.
 

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It affects only subreddits with adult content, and it doesn't seem to have started yet -- I tried a couple of sub-reddits labelled as 18+ and wasn't asked for any id. Apparently when it does start, you will have to upload either a photo or an image of some government-issued id to be checked by a third party, who confirm to Reddit they're satisfied you're at least 18 and then discard the photo/image after a few days.
 
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It affects only subreddits with adult content, and it doesn't seem to have started yet -- I tried a couple of sub-reddits labelled as 18+ and wasn't asking for any id. Apparently when it does start, you will have to upload either a photo or an image of some government-issued id to be checked by a third party, who confirm to Reddit they're satisfied you're at least 18 and then discard the photo/image after a few days.
Didn't SL have something like that for access to The Naughty Places? I vaguely remember a huge kerfuffle over it and, as we all know, it led to the end of SL.
 
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Didn't SL have something like that for access to The Naughty Places? I vaguely remember a huge kerfuffle over it and, as we all know, it led to the end of SL.
Still does as far as I know, I age verified years ago when it started. And yes, as we all know it led to the end of SL :rolleyes:
 
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I won't need to age verify since Essence was created in 2003 so is over 18 now.
 

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A YouGov poll: most people in Germany, Italy, France and Spain support the UK rejoining the EU. But most people also oppose to give the UK the old opt-out treatments it had before.

Unfortunately, with Nigel Farage's Reform party leading in the opinion polls at the moment and looking very likely permanently to replace the Conservatives as the main party on the right, I don't think Britain will be applying to join in the foreseeable future, and I doubt the EU would waste much time considering our application if we did.

Things can change, of course. No one in July 2020 would have predicted the current political landscape in the UK. But at the moment I don't see rejoining the EU (as opposed to cooperating ever more closely) as a live issue, no matter how desirable it might be. It'll happen eventually, I'm sure, but not soon.