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The only thing a large language model can do is generate plausible-sounding text. It has no mechanism to specifically avoid generating incorrect or outright malicious text because correctness is not something that the software has any model of.

In fact it has no model of anything. It just has statistical relationships between tokens. That's it. There are no hallucinations, or if there are it's all hallucinations.
I've been wondering about this a lot, because I'm not wholly sure how that distinguishes a large language model from people.

I mean, much of what I know, I know because I've read it in, or been told it by, sources that seem to me reliable. I trust vaccinations in general and Covid vaccinations in particular because I'm assured by various people whose professional judgment I trust, like the doctors at my local practice, and by the NHS website, that any vaccinations they offer me have been thoroughly tested and are far more likely to do me good than to harm me. I'm obviously unable to replicate their studies myself, so I just have to take it on trust.

In contrast, an anti-vax activist who's done their own research, is as convinced as am I of the opposite -- that is, that vaccines are harmful -- for mudh the same reasons. They're repeating what they've gleaned from sources they regard as reliable. I think they're hallucinating, as it were, and they think the same of me.

I'm not working on a statistical model, but, when it comes to a conflict, I am giving considerably more weight to some sources than to others because that's what I've been trained to do (for example, that the NHS website is a more reliable source of information on medical matters than is YouTube), as I would hope large language models are trained to do, too.
 

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I've been wondering about this a lot, because I'm not wholly sure how that distinguishes a large language model from people.
People, even fairly dim people, build a model of the world and reason about it. So do other mammals. Dogs, cats, rats, elephants, elephant shrews. Some other orders of animals have shown similar abilities, parrots, crows, octopi.

Large language models do not do that. They generate the next token and the next and the next, based on a statistical model of their source corpus. It's a fairly sophisticated model, based on a '50s era model of how the optical cortex worked, but it doesn't reason.

LLMs are at the slime-mold level. A slime mold "solves" puzzles exhaustively, by spreading out through all available space and then concentrating back where the elements it needs are.

The mechanisms are fundamentally different from animal brains.
 

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And now, for a bit of AI fun (which I will internally refer to as "slime-molding"). Unless we can convince some billionaires to fund and test it?


I'm particularly fascinated by the purpose of skids on a submersible, and the "emergency baby."
 

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People, even fairly dim people, build a model of the world and reason about it. So do other mammals. Dogs, cats, rats, elephants, elephant shrews. Some other orders of animals have shown similar abilities, parrots, crows, octopi.

Large language models do not do that. They generate the next token and the next and the next, based on a statistical model of their source corpus. It's a fairly sophisticated model, based on a '50s era model of how the optical cortex worked, but it doesn't reason.

LLMs are at the slime-mold level. A slime mold "solves" puzzles exhaustively, by spreading out through all available space and then concentrating back where the elements it needs are.

The mechanisms are fundamentally different from animal brains.
I thibk another big difference, if I understand how these LLM models work. Aninal/human brains can basically injest new information, instantly.

An LLM has to be trained on it, it has to integrate new information through a complex process that adds the new info to the statistical model.

You can sort of, temporarily train a model within the prompt and limited scope.

For example, you train it the sky is blue, and something changes ans now the sky is permenantly red, you can tellnit "the sky is now red" and it will remeber it now, you you, in that contrxt, but the next person that xomes along, or the next conversation, it will "forget ", until someone retrains it.

Which as I understand is also computationally expensive.

Thats probably a shitty example. Maybe something like, changing Politicians or celebrity deaths or new movies would be a better example.

These things are also extremely terrible at time on almost every level. It can't keep tracknofnwhen its free plans reset at all. In a narrative, you ask it tondescribe something growing over a year it starts speed running it, you take an image of a chukd or young adukt and say "makr them 10 years old" and you get someone who looks 70 back.
 

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An LLMs "short term memory" basically consists of re-reading the prompt and existing conversation and generating new tokens as a continuation of that. Everything it generates and you reply is part of the growing prompt.

If you tell it that it's wrong, it generates an apology because that's the continuation of a lot of "you''re wrong" messages in the training corpus. That doesn't mean that it has any memory of being wrong, and unless there's a continuation of "you're wrong" followed by correct examples in the training corpus adding that chunk of text to the growing prompt doesn't result in it *not* generating the wrong text any more.
 

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the "emergency baby."
I'm guessing that's the thing you make when you're trapped at the bottom of the ocean and don't want to die a virgin?
 
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Elon Musk has opened a fresh front in his ongoing feud with Big Tech.This time he’s targeting Apple.

On Monday night, the Tesla and SpaceX CEO accused the iPhone maker of antitrust violations, claiming its App Store policies put his AI chatbot Grok, developed by xAI, at a disadvantage compared to rivals, particularly OpenAI’s ChatGPT. “Apple is behaving in a manner that makes it impossible for any AI company besides OpenAI to reach #1 in the App Store, which is an unequivocal antitrust violation,” Musk posted on X (formerly Twitter). “xAI will take immediate legal action.”
TL;DR: ChatGPT is in the Epstein files.
 

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Ah yes, "simulated" "reasoning."

In recent months, the AI industry has started moving toward so-called simulated reasoning models that use a "chain of thought" process to work through tricky problems in multiple logical steps. At the same time, recent research has cast doubt on whether those models have even a basic understanding of general logical concepts or an accurate grasp of their own "thought process." Similar research shows that these "reasoning" models can often produce incoherent, logically unsound answers when questions include irrelevant clauses or deviate even slightly from common templates found in their training data.
In a recent pre-print paper, researchers from the University of Arizona summarize this existing work as "suggest[ing] that LLMs are not principled reasoners but rather sophisticated simulators of reasoning-like text." To pull on that thread, the researchers created a carefully controlled LLM environment in an attempt to measure just how well chain-of-thought reasoning works when presented with "out of domain" logical problems that don't match the specific logical patterns found in their training data.

The results suggest that the seemingly large performance leaps made by chain-of-thought models are "largely a brittle mirage" that "become fragile and prone to failure even under moderate distribution shifts," the researchers write. "Rather than demonstrating a true understanding of text, CoT reasoning under task transformations appears to reflect a replication of patterns learned during training."
 

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Sneaky AI scraping a-holes are always looking for a new hole.

Reddit is now blocking the Internet Archive (IA) from indexing popular Reddit threads after allegedly catching sneaky AI firms—restricted from scraping Reddit—instead simply scraping data from IA's archived content.
Where before IA's Wayback Machine dependably archived Reddit pages, profiles, and comments—as part of its mission to archive the Internet—moving forward, only screenshots of the Reddit homepage will be archived. As The Verge noted, this means the archive will only be useful as a snapshot of popular posts and news headlines each day, rather than providing a backup documenting deleted posts or a window into various Reddit subcultures or any given user's activity.

Reddit has not confirmed which AI firms were scraping its data from the Wayback Machine. The company's spokesperson, Tim Rathschmidt, would only confirm to Ars that Reddit has become "aware of instances where AI companies violate platform policies, including ours, and scrape data from the Wayback Machine."
 

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I've been wondering about this a lot, because I'm not wholly sure how that distinguishes a large language model from people.

I mean, much of what I know, I know because I've read it in, or been told it by, sources that seem to me reliable. I trust vaccinations in general and Covid vaccinations in particular because I'm assured by various people whose professional judgment I trust, like the doctors at my local practice, and by the NHS website, that any vaccinations they offer me have been thoroughly tested and are far more likely to do me good than to harm me. I'm obviously unable to replicate their studies myself, so I just have to take it on trust.
Here's a great explanation about how the underlying fundamental piece of neural networks, the perceptron, works. Note that this was created already back in 1957 by Frank Rosenblatt.

In short terms: LLMs are pattern recognizers, great at recognizing patterns in written text. The difference between them and us is that a human being is not just recognizing patterns, but learns stuff by developing concepts. For example a tree has green leaves, brown trunk and certain form. Which identifying memorising these few rules of thumbs our brain is able to identify trees with ease. A LLM on the other hand will never be able to understand what parts a tree is made of. And in order to recognize trees in a reliable ways you've got to train it with thousands of different photos of trees.

LLMs are putting out the words with highest probability in sentences of appearing in given context. One main consequence of this is that LLMs will never be able to become creative and write unexpected pieces of texts like well versed authors might do. They do not have any fantasy, they are not trying out anything, they are just reproducing stuff and are always slaves to the probabilities. So they have no creatitivity.

Also us humans are constantly learning every minute of every day. LLMs don't do that: they are instead a snapshot of the whole content of the internet at a given time. This data is then used to create and calculate their ridiculously big matrices required to run an LLM. Modern LLMs now have internet search as well, meaning if information is not in the LLM they can crawl the internet. But this little piece of updated info gets lost very soon afterwards, it will be discarded, because the LLM itself will not be updated.

Training a LLM takes several weeks to some months. Updating a LLM would mean that the whole shebang needs to be updated every time. So of course that's not being done.

What the chatbots are using is the result of a training cycle set in stone.

Also big part of the secret sauce and taking quite some time is getting the model ready for public use: since it contains the whole wisdom of the internet, a LLM such GPT has no problems explaining to you how to build explosives, run a drug business, recite song lyrics and other stuff.

So there's a lot of information deep inside every LLM their creators don't want to be exposed to the public. So models are restricted to not answer to such questions. If you can jailbreak them, it will still be exposed.

There are also open source models around like Deepseek or Lama, meaning you get the end result of a training and can do whatever you want to do with it. And there are some hackers and researches around who are developing processes to uncensor such models, sharing their methods and results.

For example a normal LLM model would never create a text where Donald Trump is bragging about his body count and how great each number was. An uncensored model would just comply.

 
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An LLMs "short term memory" basically consists of re-reading the prompt and existing conversation and generating new tokens as a continuation of that. Everything it generates and you reply is part of the growing prompt.

If you tell it that it's wrong, it generates an apology because that's the continuation of a lot of "you''re wrong" messages in the training corpus. That doesn't mean that it has any memory of being wrong, and unless there's a continuation of "you're wrong" followed by correct examples in the training corpus adding that chunk of text to the growing prompt doesn't result in it *not* generating the wrong text any more.
I think it's a bit more complex than that. I use ChatGPT for recipes, and have, over several sessions, asked it to remember particular preferences about measurements, quantities, calories per dish, preferred herbs and spices, etc. It remembers those pretty well from conversation to conversation without needing reminders (every couple of weeks I ask if I need to remind it of my preferences, and it lists them for me to prove it remembers).

However, it doesn't seem anything like as good at remembering corrections about coding -- I have to give it specific instructions to remember that particular things that work in some other languages (e.g. the ? ternary operator) don't work in LSL, and those don't always stick for long.

ChatGPT-5 is still pretty hopeless at writing LSL scripts of any complexity (though it's getting better) but I'm finding it surprisingly helpful at brainstorming complex projects. Even though it gets the code wrong, it's been making some useful suggestions about, for example, how to avoid various race conditions and the like that I'd not even considered might become an issue.
 

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I think it's a bit more complex than that. I use ChatGPT for recipes, and have, over several sessions, asked it to remember particular preferences about measurements, quantities, calories per dish, preferred herbs and spices, etc. It remembers those pretty well from conversation to conversation without needing reminders (every couple of weeks I ask if I need to remind it of my preferences, and it lists them for me to prove it remembers).
If you have an OpenAI account it will may chain together your previous conversations into a kind of super-prompt. I think it may be keeping this information in cookies or browser storage... it asked for browser storage and doesn't seem to track previous conversations reliably.

And yes, the behavior where it generates responses consistent with it having learned from its mistakes is basically human cosplay, it's not actually learning what it claims its learning because it's not reasoning about anything, it's just pattern-matching from its prompt into its training corpus.
 
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If you have an OpenAI account it will chain together your previous conversations into a kind of super-prompt.

And yes, the behavior where it generates responses consistent with it having learned from its mistakes is basically human cosplay, it's not actually learning what it claims its learning because it's not reasoning about anything, it's just pattern-matching from its prompt into its training corpus.
Certainly, but it's nevertheless proving a very convenient source of advice about recipes. I realise that it's all, as you put it, human cosplay, but that isn't incompatible with it's being a useful tool so long as one's aware of its strengths and weaknesses. It's those I'm trying to understand by experimenting with it.

Actually, after having read Anil Seth's Being You: A New Science of Consciousness, I suspect that a lot of the time we think we're reasoning when, in fact, we're giving an ex post facto explanation of pattern matching, but that's a different topic.
 

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OMG, I'm a lot like ChatGPT! 😝
Please give me a hyoer realistic an image of a juggling cat on a unicycle NikonD50 realistic photorealistic -cartoon
 
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Certainly, but it's nevertheless proving a very convenient source of advice about recipes.
There's a lot of recipe data on the web, so there's patterns existing that it can pull in remaining consistent with its prompt.

The article you linked seems to be related to Andy Clark's work too. But the way we make predictions is not by parroting language, pre-linguistic animals follow the same course, they build mental models of the world and make predictions based on them. Our underlying thought processes that we narratize in language have to be operating the same way.

LLMs don't make predictions and test them, if they seem to be surprised that's because they're mimicking surprise, and have no mental models.
 

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See, if the VGAN was modelling the world the unicycle would be sized so the cat could reach the pedals.
 
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Wheel size would be too small. This cat should have a chain drive so the pedals are raised.