New Subforum Added - The AI Age

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Given the exponential increase in the power of AI technologies in just the past year, I figured AI deserved its own subforum. I moved the AI related threads I could find to that subforum. If I mised any let me know.


Please post AI topics there.
 

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Giuliani thread should go in there too!
 
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Please rename it to "The glorified IF-THEN-ELSE Age", for that is essentially what AI is all about...
You have clearly not used it extensively. It is far from that.
 
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I have used it extensively and it is so easy to lead it into madness. Large language models are not complicated or sophisticated systems. They are autocomplete on acid. 99 44/100th percent of the intelligence is in the person reading the output and interpreting it in sophisticated ways, seeing faces in clouds, it's paradoilea and apophenia.
 

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Every time I see people saying that AI won't amount to anything I am reminded of this classic about the internet: Why the Web Won't Be Nirvana

He actually makes some perfectly legitimate criticisms (some of which still apply today!), but overall managed to completely underestimate what was coming.
 

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Saying that large language models won't "scale up" to AI, or that a new approach is needed, doesn't mean that generative neural networks "won't amount to anything" or that some other approach won't eventually lead to true AI. It just means that calling this kind of automation "AI" is both premature and cynical advertising.
 
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The term Artificial Intelligence as we used to accept it, sort of the pure, science fictioney concept of a computer with human-like (or beyond) smarts, but also some level of self-awareness, is dead.
 
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Well yes... lots of computer scientists and philosophers have pointed out that we can't really agree what "artificial intelligence" even would look like. Machine learning is interesting and useful, but does fall short of what many would consider a true AI. I think machine learning tools are interesting and cool, even if they won't be able to do a few things I would love to have AI's for.
 
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The concept that most people truly think of as AI is AGI - where the AI learns on its own and matches or exceeds human intelligence and capabilities. AGI has not been achieved, but there are estimates that it may happen in 2024 or 2025, given the pace of innovation.
 

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...but there are estimates that it may happen in 2024 or 2025, given the pace of innovation.
Got to respectfully disagree on this statement. I don't believe you can predict technological innovation in this fashion. You can't graph technological growth then assume the underlying rate is meaningful. What's really going on is that every jump in tech had it's own story that won't necessarily repeat. Machine learning is cool but it can't grow into an AGI directly. An AGI will require some fundamentally new algorithms that mimic other thought processes. ML is part of the equation, not the whole thing.

Moore's law was a good example of a pace that continued for a long time but also died out.