WTF Mask rage

[Eunoli]

It's worth noting that most people who can't wear a mask could at least wear a face shield. They aren't as good as masks, but at least they'd protect others from a cough or sneeze.

 

[Rose Karuna]

>than 118,000 deaths in the US and I overwhelmingly blame Trump.

First they ignored world wide warnings and instead of getting tests from WHO they had to make their own (which didn't work)
Then they told everyone that it was just a more virulent version of the flu.
Then our government told us that masks were not effective in preventing the spread of the virus instead of just saying that health care workers needed N95 masks and for now, people should cover their faces with home made gear and masks.
Then the chief cheeto in charge refuses to wear a mask even in a mask factory.

So is anyone surprised that Trumpsters are saying this?

Oklahoma Supreme Court rejects bid to require face masks and social distancing at Trump rally in Tulsa

The Oklahoma Supreme Court on Friday rejected a request to require everyone attending President Donald Trump’s rally in Tulsa this weekend to wear a face mask and maintain social distancing inside the arena to guard against the spread…

www.chicagotribune.com

I the woman's mother (who is 75 with health problems) described in the interview catches COVID and dies, I hope they put the blame where it belongs. But sadly, they probably won't.

 

[Eunoli]

Oklahoma Supreme Court rejects bid to require face masks and social distancing at Trump rally in Tulsa

The Oklahoma Supreme Court on Friday rejected a request to require everyone attending President Donald Trump’s rally in Tulsa this weekend to wear a face mask and maintain social distancing inside the arena to guard against the spread…

www.chicagotribune.com

My guess is people are really looking forward to the ass-whooping Trump is gonna put on those uppity coloreds, complete with manufactured violent confrontation outside. (I really wish protesters would choose to gather at another location to avoid walking into this trap)

 

[Kara Spengler]

My guess is people are really looking forward to the ass-whooping Trump is gonna put on those uppity coloreds, complete with manufactured violent confrontation outside. (I really wish protesters would choose to gather at another location to avoid walking into this trap)

Twitter is going to be interesting over the next 24 hours. The location wants a written plan of how social distancing will be implemented. The Tulsa mayor is also pretty critical of people not wearing masks.

 

[danielravennest]

Is this basic human nature, oblivious selfishness, willful ostrich-head-in-sand?

We're overdue for a culling. Hopefully the dumb will kill themselves off in larger numbers.

Personally, I'm still sheltering at home as much as possible, and wear a mask + gloves to shop.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

Bottom line for me and mine? We will continue to wear our masks and distance and will continue to do so until well after we've hit the fall bounce back, if not longer depending on what happens then. What's the downside? Later, some yahoo says, "LOL, you were wrong". The alternative is that I or a family member gets it, possibly loses a life and those very same people sure as hell wouldn't say, "Oh, I'm sorry, I was wrong". They don't give a care about those who have already died nor those that may. Fuck that.

Why anyone would be willing to put their, or their loved one's, lives on the line over some posturing is beyond me.

 

[Jopsy Pendragon]

Scar tissue from severe burns can be very painful for absolutely years. In this mans case I think an exception should have been made and someone should have helped him at the drive through instead of just telling him to go there and use it.

I don't disagree, the bank was in the wrong for not making a reasonable effort to accommodate him better.

My problem with the story is that it presents the false notion that "Difficulty getting a mask to stay in place is a legitimate excuse not to wear one."

No ears, no fingers? Drape a pre-knotted bandana over your nose and mouth. If scar tissue/injury makes it too painful, that's a different matter entirely, and not one even suggested by the story.

To cover their asses they did tack on that he ALSO has a medical condition that makes it hard to breathe. They should have led with that and stuck to it rather than confusing the issue with the impracticalities of ear straps in his case.

ETA: It's like saying "I can't marry Susan because I don't have a right hand to wear a wedding ring on. Also she's my first cousin."

 

[Kara Spengler]

Bottom line for me and mine? We will continue to wear our masks and distance and will continue to do so until well after we've hit the fall bounce back, if not longer depending on what happens then. What's the downside? Later, some yahoo says, "LOL, you were wrong". The alternative is that I or a family member gets it, possibly loses a life and those very same people sure as hell wouldn't say, "Oh, I'm sorry, I was wrong". They don't give a care about those who have already died nor those that may. Fuck that.

Why anyone would be willing to put their, or their loved one's, lives on the line over some posturing is beyond me.

Yes, I can not figure out the thinking. There is not much of a potential downside to wearing a mask if you can. The potential downside to not wearing one if you can is, well, death. Even if you want to show you are macho what they do is protect other people from you, who wants to risk their grandparents dying because of you?

 

[Arkady Arkright]

I don't disagree, the bank was in the wrong for not making a reasonable effort to accommodate him better.
My problem with the story is that it presents the false notion that "Difficulty getting a mask to stay in place is a legitimate excuse not to wear one."
No ears, no fingers? Drape a pre-knotted bandana over your nose and mouth. If scar tissue/injury makes it too painful, that's a different matter entirely, and not one even suggested by the story.
To cover their asses they did tack on that he ALSO has a medical condition that makes it hard to breathe. They should have led with that and stuck to it rather than confusing the issue with the impracticalities of ear straps in his case.
ETA: It's like saying "I can't marry Susan because I don't have a right hand to wear a wedding ring on. Also she's my first cousin."

You really are all heart, aren't you...

 

[Romana]

I don't disagree, the bank was in the wrong for not making a reasonable effort to accommodate him better.

My problem with the story is that it presents the false notion that "Difficulty getting a mask to stay in place is a legitimate excuse not to wear one."

No ears, no fingers? Drape a pre-knotted bandana over your nose and mouth. If scar tissue/injury makes it too painful, that's a different matter entirely, and not one even suggested by the story.

To cover their asses they did tack on that he ALSO has a medical condition that makes it hard to breathe. They should have led with that and stuck to it rather than confusing the issue with the impracticalities of ear straps in his case.

ETA: It's like saying "I can't marry Susan because I don't have a right hand to wear a wedding ring on. Also she's my first cousin."

Just to be clear, it sounds like you don't believe he could have some respiratory ailment.
Why?

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

Just to be clear, it sounds like you don't believe he could have some respiratory ailment.
Why?

I think he means that they neglected to mention the legitimate complaint [difficulty breathing] until last and as an aside, instead of leading with it?

 

[Romana]

I think he means that they neglected to mention the legitimate complaint [difficulty breathing] until last and as an aside, instead of leading with it?

I'd hope so. It just seemed like Arkady thought otherwise?
I'd expect better of Jopsy, though.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

So. Much. This.

I don't mean to sound unsympathetic, but I don't understand why, knowing that he'd find wearing a mask difficult, he didn't think to phone ahead first to discuss how he could withdraw his cash without a mask.

The suggestion they should have had someone help him misses the point, I fear -- he can't use the machine in the drive-through because his injuries mean he can't enter his PIN unaided, and there is no way that any UK bank -- or US, I would hope -- would ever allow one of its staff to ask for a customer's full PIN, so I don't see what help they could have offered.

(In his position, depending on the amount of money involved, I would ask a friend if I could transfer money to her bank account, which she would then withdraw as cash, which she would get to me somehow).

 

[Argent Stonecutter]

Have someone carry the physical paperwork for withdrawing money to his car, let him fill it out, take it back in, withdraw the money, and take the receipt and money back out to him.

 

[Kara Spengler]

I don't mean to sound unsympathetic, but I don't understand why, knowing that he'd find wearing a mask difficult, he didn't think to phone ahead first to discuss how he could withdraw his cash without a mask.

The suggestion they should have had someone help him misses the point, I fear -- he can't use the machine in the drive-through because his injuries mean he can't enter his PIN unaided, and there is no way that any UK bank -- or US, I would hope -- would ever allow one of its staff to ask for a customer's full PIN, so I don't see what help they could have offered.

(In his position, depending on the amount of money involved, I would ask a friend if I could transfer money to her bank account, which she would then withdraw as cash, which she would get to me somehow).

Actually, under the americans with disabilities act and other disability laws the onus is on the service provider to have plans in place. Yes, generally people call in advance to make sure there is no delay when they get there but afaik there is nothing saying they have to do so.

 

[Romana]

Innula brings up a good point, though. If I were completely unable to wear a mask, it world definitely occur to me to call to find out how best to accomplish what I needed to. I can't conceive of going without knowing, honestly, I'd be way too anxious.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Have someone carry the physical paperwork for withdrawing money to his car, let him fill it out, take it back in, withdraw the money, and take the receipt and money back out to him.

Which would involve quite a complex series of maneuvers to ensure that he and the staff member always remained 6 feet apart, and would also have delayed other customers quite a bit, since the bank's social distancing measures will mean that over-the-counter transactions are taking far longer than usual.

Yes, it could have been done, but it could have been done a hell of a lot more easily for all concerned had he thought to discuss his problem with the bank first.

 

[Argent Stonecutter]

Which would involve quite a complex series of maneuvers to ensure that he and the staff member always remained 6 feet apart, and would also have delayed other customers quite a bit, since the bank's social distancing measures will mean that over-the-counter transactions are taking far longer than usual.

Regardless, that's what they should have done. This can't be that common a situation that they are significantly discomforted. Most likely they wold use a back-end person like a manager or an agent to approach from the passenger side of the car, without delaying any active customers.

Yes, it could have been done, but it could have been done a hell of a lot more easily for all concerned had he thought to discuss his problem with the bank first.

Regardless, they didn't have to respond as they did.

 

[Jopsy Pendragon]

Just to be clear, it sounds like you don't believe he could have some respiratory ailment.
Why?

What set me off was the deceptive journalism on display covering the story.

"And he can’t wear a mask because he also lost his ears. He also has a medical condition that can make it hard to breathe."

Obviously, there are masks that don't rely on ears, so "Can't" is dishonest, and it made me suspicious.

The reporter nimbly avoids actually claiming the medical condition as an actual reason the guy can't wear a mask. Lots of people (myself included) "have a medical condition that CAN make it hard to breathe" it's a simple, true statement. And not one that prevents a lot of us from wearing masks anyway.

Maybe his condition "can" be serious enough to make it so he 'can't" wear a mask. The reporter quite clearly avoids saying so.

Don't get me wrong. The bank was completely in the wrong, and needs to do better. Nobody should be prying into this guy's business to decide whether he's justified or not in refusing to wear a mask. If he says he can't wear a mask that's completely sufficient.

But puff pieces throwing chum to the "OMG! MASK-NAZI'S ARE OUT OF CONTROL!" idiots are absolutely not about health issues, they're 100% about political/ideological pandering.

 

[Arkady Arkright]

I'm not surprised at the lack of sympathy and accomodation shown by a bank to this guy, but I am surprised by the same lack of sympathy and accomodation on this forum.