disney+ Loki

[Romana]

Surely you mean "Sexy Loki Variant"

The comics already did that : 10 Things About Lady Loki Only Comic Fans Know

 

[danielravennest]

So I just realized Dragoncon, a big media/sci-fi convention, will be happening in Atlanta this Labor Day weekend, like it has every year. One of the convention hotels is the Marriott Marquis Atlanta, where a number of scenes of the TVA in Loki were shot. So it is going to be interesting to see how fans react to being there. Here's the atrium of the hotel:

 

[Ghost Pepper]

 

[danielravennest]

The director for Loki has said they were already in post-production, and the timing relative to WandaVision was coincidental.

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

The director for Loki has said they were already in post-production, and the timing relative to WandaVision was coincidental.

Yes, but they -have- lied to us before....

 

[Ghost Pepper]

The director for Loki has said they were already in post-production, and the timing relative to WandaVision was coincidental.

That is way too coincidental.

 

[Free]

Hiddleston acting the shit out a scene.



Maglink

Also,

 

[bubblesort]

I just found out that there's one varient Loki we missed, if we only watched the show Loki! The Simpsons did a short little 5 minute animation called The Good, The Bart, and The Loki. It's pretty good, and I think it might be more canonical than, say, Cloak and Dagger (what is and isn't canon any more confuses me, though). The Simpsons short was released simultaneously with Loki, episode 5, and Tom Hiddleson plays Loki in it. They have a lot of fun with the post credit scenes, but once they start the foreign language credits it's safe to turn off the video without missing anything.

The Good, the Bart, and the Loki - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[danielravennest]

It's pretty good, and I think it might be more canonical than, say, Cloak and Dagger (what is and isn't canon any more confuses me, though).

Now that the TVA no longer prunes timelines, its all canon. In Loki, we saw branches happening all through the timeline, past, present, and future. So anything that could happen, does.

My take on canonicity is anything with a Marvel logo is by definition canon. Movies generally don't reference the TV shows because they don't have time and have to work as self-contained stories. But the TV shows reference the films and each other showing they are connected.

 

[bubblesort]

Now that the TVA no longer prunes timelines, its all canon. In Loki, we saw branches happening all through the timeline, past, present, and future. So anything that could happen, does.

My take on canonicity is anything with a Marvel logo is by definition canon. Movies generally don't reference the TV shows because they don't have time and have to work as self-contained stories. But the TV shows reference the films and each other showing they are connected.

I've been rewatching everything in chronological order this week, and it's not quite as simple as that.

There's what Disney decides is canon and what isn't. The X-Men stuff is part of the Marvel Legacy collection on Disney+, which is not canon to the MCU. The Netflix shows also fall into this category. The Netflix shows are not non-canon for any story line reasons, it's just a business thing. They no longer have a close relationship with Netflix.

Disney can be fickle, though. They used to say the 2008 Incredible Hulk with Ed Norton was not canon, which made sense to me. It tied into nothing else directly, and Norton quit, so I thought of it as a warm up for Iron Man. In What If... they made it clear that Incredible Hulk is canon. When I read up about it, to figure out what to watch after Iron Man 2, I found out that the Incredible Hulk, Thor, and Iron Man 2 all happen in the same week. The Incredible Hulk isn't streaming on Disney+ at all, though, which makes it the only canon thing I've found so far that isn't on Disney+.

Also, last week, I think I saw the Agent Carter one shot listed in the Marvel Legends category. Now it's not there. It's not in the chronological timeline or phase collections on Disney+, either. It's like 10 minutes long, so I rewatched it after Captain America, because why not? It's a fun short. I think it should probably be canon. Why wouldn't it be canon, though? That's a deeper hole.

I think the MCU contains multiple cosmologies. One cosmology has a single watcher, and Kang, and all that stuff. The other cosmology has Agents of Shield, which is a cosmology where there is a race of android watchers, rather than a single watcher, or three watchers like in the comic books, and there is no Kang, and Inhumans are everywhere, doing things that are done by different beings in the MCU film cosmology. Both cosmologies have multiple timelines. The timelines just behave differently, and are run by different people, so they behave independantly. I'll call one cosmology the MCU film cosmology, and the other the shield cosmology. In the shield cosmology, the zodiac vial that Agent Carter took from the thugs plays a big part of the story line, so we can see that it is tied in with Agents of Shield and the Inhumans. Also, after the Agent Carter one shot, the Agent Carter TV show dealt with things like dark energy, which doesn't seem to be a thin in the MCU film cosmology. Cloak and Dagger and Runaways deal with dark energy, too.

So for now, I'm trying to watch the MCU film cosmology in chronological order. I've done:

Captain America
Agent Carter one shot
Captain Marvel (which was way worse than I remembered)
Iron Man
Iron Man 2

I decided the next 2 are going to be:
Incredible Hulk
Thor

Then there's some one shots I haven't figured out yet, and I remember reading somewhere that there's debate about if Thor 2 or Iron Man 3 happens first. It's a fun research project, trying to get it all straight.

 

[Veritable Quandry]

The reason they won't make a stand alone Hulk movie is that Paramount still has distributon rights to Hulk films. So Disney is not interested in sharing since they have built up the character. Which is also why it isn't on Disney+.

While the Netflix series are not canon, a few of the characters will be. There is a rumor that Vincent D'oforio will show up as Kingpin in Hawkeye, but the Netflix show will not be his backstory. I have read that they are interested in Daredevil, Jessica Jones, and Punisher. We may see a number of actors from those shows as the same characters with different backstories in the MCU in the next few years. Hopefully not Iron Fist. After Shang Chi there is no way they are getting away with a lazy performer and bad fight choreography going forward.

There is a "theory" (as we like to call wishful thinking) that the lawyer in the Spider-Man trailer that is only seen as a pair of arms may be Charlie Cox. It would make sense but I am not holding my breath.

 

[bubblesort]

The reason they won't make a stand alone Hulk movie is that Paramount still has distributon rights to Hulk films. So Disney is not interested in sharing since they have built up the character. Which is also why it isn't on Disney+.

While the Netflix series are not canon, a few of the characters will be. There is a rumor that Vincent D'oforio will show up as Kingpin in Hawkeye, but the Netflix show will not be his backstory. I have read that they are interested in Davedevil, Jessica Jones, and Punisher. We may see a number of actors from those shows as the same characters with different backstories in the MCU in the next few years. Hopefully not Iron Fist. After Shang Chi there is no way they are getting away with a lazy performer and bad fight choreography going forward.

There is a "theory" (as we like to call wishful thinking) that the lawyer in the Spider-Man trailer that is only seen as a pair of arms may be Charlie Cox. It would make sense but I am not holding my breath.

That's really cool! I hope D'oforio shows up in more stuff. His Kingpin was the best character from any of the Netflix series, IMHO.

I just watched the Incredible Hulk, and checked IMDB... turns out, Tim Roth is still playing Abomination in the MCU. He played Abomination in Shang Chi, and he is going to be playing Abomination again in all 10 episodes of She-Hulk, so I'm assuming he's going to be the villain in that series.

 

[Free]

Finally.



Coming on October 6.

Oh, and Ke Huy Quan is in the trailer. He's an official Marvel team member now! Before Harrison!!!

 

[Arilynn]

I mostly liked it, but I can’t remember a single thing about it except a baby crocodile.

 

[Jopsy Pendragon]

Also on October 6...

Eager for both! =D

 

[Free]

More about Second Loki (as in LOTR reference, not the second Loki - though she's here as well).

 

[Free]

Well, the season opener was...interesting. If you're watching, stick around for the end credit scene.