Linden Lab Lays Off 10% of Employees

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I've known you from 2019, when you whined like a little bitch over my Trump signs. Don't do me any favors by keeping me here, I know you would love to ban me.
You're admitting to being incapable of being in control of yourself and walking away on your own. It's pretty bad when you make your own self look worse.
 

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With all due respect, child avatars ARE a relatively small segment of SL. The child/family AV community is a small niche community, just like many other communities in SL like Steampunks, Furries, Tinies and so forth. The vast majority of SL has little interaction with child AV's and doesn't have a real opinion on them. The people who don't like child avatars are pretty much the same people who don't like furries, tinies, trans people, gay people, and even fashionistas. They're just techy edgelord jerks who can be ignored because they have no real power.

SL's user numbers vary depending on seasons, there's no big exodus. If anything it's an exodus from private islands to Linden Homes. (The Premium Plus linden homes get taken as fast as they're put on the grid.)
Nah. We're just your garden variety of misanthropist who are kind of creeped out by child avatars. Not all child avs are creepy but enough are that I tend to avoid them and the places they hang out.
 

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You know, we are kind of a rough group and sometimes we don't play well with others but it really takes a special kind of stupid to get banned from here.
Stop trying to depress the new member numbers.
 
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Not that I blame you, but I don't think you can have been keeping up with all the threads in the official forums complaining about PBR. The new Gacha policy doesn't seem particularly popular, either.
I've been 17 years active in SL now, and never ever (not even once) saw the majority of people go like "Wow, what a great improvement". Not here, not on the official forums, not inworld. The sky must be pretty high, because it is falling for over 17 years already. There is always a reason to grumble (I had many of those too over the years).

That said, it is mostly just another day at the office.
 

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You know, we are kind of a rough group and sometimes we don't play well with others but it really takes a special kind of stupid to get banned from here.
Is that like a dare...?
 
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I wouldn't call 10% or greater a "small" segment but believe what you want too.
10% are the layoffs right now. Child avatars for sure are much less than 10% of SL's population, because if they would be 10% they would be much more visible in all places where they are allowed.

As an educated guess 1-2% of the overall population sounds plausible to me, more leaning to 1% though.
 
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I've been 17 years active in SL now, and never ever (not even once) saw the majority of people go like "Wow, what a great improvement". Not here, not on the official forums, not inworld. The sky must be pretty high, because it is falling for over 17 years already. There is always a reason to grumble (I had many of those too over the years).

That said, it is mostly just another day at the office.
Me too.

Michael Oakeshott, an English conservative philosopher of the last century, perhaps provides some explanation in his essay On Being Conservative:

there are activities, not involving human relationships, that may be engaged in, not for a prize, but for the enjoyment they generate, and for which the only appropriate disposition is the disposition to be conservative. Consider fishing. If your project is merely to catch fish it would be foolish to be unduly conservative. You will seek out the best tackle, you will discard practices which prove unsuccessful, you will not be bound by unprofitable attachments to particular localities, pieties will be fleeting, loyalties evanescent; you may even be wise to try anything once in the hope of improvement. But fishing is an activity that may be engaged in, not for the profit of a catch, but for its own sake; and the fisherman may return home in the evening not less content for being empty-handed. Where this is so, the activity has become a ritual and a conservative disposition is appropriate. Why worry about the best gear if you do not care whether or not you make a catch? What matters is the enjoyment of exercising skill (or, perhaps, merely the passing of time), and this is to be had with any tackle, so long as it is familiar and is not grotesquely inappropriate.

All activities, then, where what is sought is enjoyment springing, not from the success of the enterprise but from the familiarity of the engagement, are emblems of the disposition to be conservative. And there are many of them. Fox placed gambling among them when he said it gave two supreme pleasures, the pleasure of winning and the pleasure of losing. Indeed, I can think of only one activity of this kind which seems to call for a disposition other than conservative: the love of fashion, that is, wanton delight in change for its own sake no matter what it generates.
And again, a page or so later,

In general, it may be said that our disposition in respect of tools is appropriately more conservative than our attitude towards projects; or, in other words, tools are less subject to innovation than projects because, except on rare occasions, tools are not designed to fit a particular project and then thrown aside, they are designed to fit a whole class of projects. And this is intelligible because most tools call for skill in use and skill is inseparable from practice and familiarity: a skilled man, whether he is a sailor, a cook or an accountant, is a man familiar with a certain stock of tools. Indeed, a carpenter is usually more skillful in handling his own tools than in handling other examples of the kind of tools commonly used by carpenters; and the solicitor can use his own (annotated) copy of Pollock on Partnership or Jarman on Wills more readily than any other. Familiarity is the essence of tool using; and in so far as man is a tool using animal he is disposed to be conservative.
That is, in our pastimes and, frequently, in other activities, too, familiarity and stability are values in themselves. We use SL, whether to socialise, play dress-up, or create content, because it's a familiar activity that we enjoy.

The annoyance caused by having our pastime disrupted by Linden Lab forcing us to abandon the familiar and spend time familiarizing ourselves with new ways of doing things, even though the new ways may well be more effective and provide preferable results, is not inconsiderable, at least until we've adapted to the new and wonder what all the fuss was about.
 

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As an educated guess 1-2% of the overall population sounds plausible to me, more leaning to 1% though.
Every one is entitled to their educated guess, even if it is wrong. I'm not really going to discuss the topic of child avatars and numbers on grid past this point because its pointless and unknowing unless LL releases the numbers.

We both know these numbers are subject to our point of view and the social groups we hang out in. You say those numbers because you don't go to location I do. I have heard people say CA are as high as 20%. We know they are not 1% or 2% because that is a insignificant number and easy to just simply get rid of than adapt the TOS to accommodate them and then do back flips to keep that number happy.

My observations sit at 10% on the low and 15% on the high. That is the last thing I'm saying about this subject because of reasons given. If you can cough up some hard data on it, then we'll revisit it.
 

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I am pretty often on non-adult sims where child avatars are allowed. So if SL's population would be around 10-15% then my expectation is on an average sim with 40 avatars to see 3-4 childs. This is what 10% means, and I never see so many child avatars there. Ever.

Since this is not the case I do consider 10% as too far fetched and too high.
 

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Every one is entitled to their educated guess, even if it is wrong. I'm not really going to discuss the topic of child avatars and numbers on grid past this point because its pointless and unknowing unless LL releases the numbers.

We both know these numbers are subject to our point of view and the social groups we hang out in. You say those numbers because you don't go to location I do. I have heard people say CA are as high as 20%. We know they are not 1% or 2% because that is a insignificant number and easy to just simply get rid of than adapt the TOS to accommodate them and then do back flips to keep that number happy.

My observations sit at 10% on the low and 15% on the high. That is the last thing I'm saying about this subject because of reasons given. If you can cough up some hard data on it, then we'll revisit it.
But there's no real way of knowing, is there?

I mean, how many people are regularly to be found at the locations you frequent, what percentage of the CA population as a whole do you think they represent, and why do you think the percentage is what you think it is, rather than double or half that?
 

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I am pretty often on non-adult sims where child avatars are allowed. So if SL's population would be around 10-15% then my expectation is on an average sim with 40 avatars to see 3-4 childs. This is what 10% means, and I never see so many child avatars there. Ever.

Since this is not the case I do consider 10% as too far fetched and too high.
Actually, there is something else to consider. A great deal of the child avatars are not going outside of their own circles. A great deal of them have decided that its not worth the trouble any more to mix with adult avatars and chld avatars. There are some sims that do not allow adult avatars, yeah we have our own sims too, those places are packed with CA.

I'm also one of the estate managers at The End of Time. We are inclusive and allow all types of avatars without question, most of the time. We are also one of the most popular destinations on the grid. Child avatars make up roughly 20% to 40% of our attendance, depending on the show.
 

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10% are the layoffs right now. Child avatars for sure are much less than 10% of SL's population, because if they would be 10% they would be much more visible in all places where they are allowed.
Yeah, if child avatars were 10% of the total population, they would be way more visible. Especially when you consider they can't go into adut areas, so the percentage probably doubles or triples when you remove all of the adult avatars primarily in adult areas.

(As in, if they are 10% of the overall pop, if you strip out the half the population people mostly/only in adult places, now its like, 20-30% child avatars.)