max Game of Thrones, The Final Season

[Cristalle]

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Certainly Gendry might have a claim to the Iron Throne but he doesn't have the means to enforce it.

Assuming he's still around when the fighting finally stops, he'd do very well to keep quiet about the identity of his father since, if anyone believes him, he immediately becomes a political threat, or possibly a pawn, to several very powerful women (and some almost as powerful men).

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He's a bastard. He has no legal claim until he's legitimized. He's no threat and even if he wanted the throne, he wouldn't get any support for it. In the end, Cersei is right: Power is power. Power is what brought Robert Baratheon to the throne, not any legal claim. Gendry has no power.

 

[Myficals]

I don't question the intensity. It took me two hours to settle down afterwards (Hey! Let's watch it again!). But Reviews and fan feedback seem to think the episode was too blurry, too confusing

I've been vacillating back and forth over my opinion on the episode, I think I'm finally settling on mostly positive but with a few niggles. One thing I'm definitely negative about, however, is the lighting. In terms of visibility, the episode was an absolute mess. It's dark and muddy and it's often difficult to track the action. The director, Miguel Sapochnik, has been very vocal about the Battle of Helmsdeep sequence from The Lord of the Rings being a central influence on the design of this battle. It's a pity he didn't take some inspiration from the lighting because Helmsdeep manages to be filmed at night and remain perfectly visible. In contrast, this episode was lighting wise, an absolute mess.

 

[Myficals]

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He's a bastard. He has no legal claim until he's legitimized. He's no threat and even if he wanted the throne, he wouldn't get any support for it. In the end, Cersei is right: Power is power. Power is what brought Robert Baratheon to the throne, not any legal claim. Gendry has no power.

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The strength, or lack thereof, of Gendry's claim to either the Iron Throne or Storm's End is all a bit of a moot point anyway. It would never be in Gendry's character to contest the claim. Whatever his bloodline he's a blacksmith, raised in Fleabottom who on more than one occasion, has shown open contempt for "the games the high lords play." Gendry wouldn't want the throne.

As an aside, why is this exchange in spoilers? Is there anything being talked about that's really a spoiler at this stage?

 

[Ava Glasgow]

Fan speculation (the fan being me):

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Rather than finally confess to Jaime that she loves him, Brienne will have to kill him when he takes Cersei's side in the coming battle. By that point, I think he would welcome release from his sister's thrall, and who better to set him free than the woman who motivated him to be better than he was.

My speculation regarding Jaime:

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At this point I'm thinking Jaime is the one to kill Cersei, but that he will die or kill himself in the process.

I don't remember the book's valonqar prophesy being in the show, but it dictates that she will die being strangled by a "little brother". She's always assumed it would be Tyrion, but really it could be almost anyone. To me, Jamie would be the most appropriate, as he is the younger brother (by minutes) that is closest to her.

 

[Aki]

All I've got to say is

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[Ghost Pepper]

Maybe they were going for a more realistic look for the battle. I would think that a night battle like that would be dark and muddy.

 

[Free]

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[Free]

My speculation regarding Jaime:

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At this point I'm thinking Jaime is the one to kill Cersei, but that he will die or kill himself in the process.

These two don't seem to like your theory:

 

[Ariane]

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I'm interested in the meaning of the ending. Arya literally killing "death", "death has many faces", etc.

And while she seemed to appear magically out of nowhere, lets assume that the reality is Arya got to him by jumping out of the weirwood tree that she probably climbed as a girl.

And there is a very good chance she got in the tree as Greyjoy sacrificing himself provided a key distraction.

 

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[Zaida Gearbox]

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I thought about the possibility that Dany will come to see Gendry as a threat, but if she does anything to him she immediately ends up on Arya's list.

 

[Beebo Brink]

Overall, the key character body count was too low for such a momentous event. Despite the threat to the very existence of mankind, this didn't even reach the gasp-inducing kill level of the Red Wedding. So on the immediate level I was breathing a sigh of relief, but on another it just felt false. It didn't HURT, which makes the threat of the Night King since day one of the series seem a cheat. Yes, Dany lost the Dothraki horde and the Unsullied are thinned out, but we in the audience didn't suffer much at all.

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We should have lost more favorites such as Sam, Poderick, Brienne, Jaime, Davos and at least someone of note in the crypts, like Varys. Jon and Dany were relatively safe up in air, but the people on the ground should have been dogmeat.

As it is, it feels very much like the producers played it safe. Carefully excising the characters -- like Jorah and Theon -- who had pretty much finished their story arc. Letting the others survive to tidy up their stories is a narrative decision that runs counter to the authenticity of the threat against them all.

 

[Ann Launay]

Book spoilers!

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I thought they'd decided to ignore the book subplot with the other supposed* Aegon (Rhaegar + Ellaria) who was purportedly exchanged for a servant's child and smuggled out before the Mountain murdered everyone, but what if they just delayed his introduction on the show and he turns out to be with the Golden Company now? That would give them a reason to break their contract with Cersei and also add some further complications to everyone's quest for the throne.

*He has the Targaryen looks, but readers think he's probably actually a Blackfyre raised to believe he's Aegon.

 

[Myficals]

Book spoilers!

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*He has the Targaryen looks, but readers think he's probably actually a Blackfyre raised to believe he's Aegon.

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The Mummer's Dragon, at least in the books, strikes me as the most likely explanation for Young Griff. Sure, Connington, the man posing as his father, was a close friend of Rhaegal. Everything else about that plot however, screams Blackfyre.

In terms of the TV show, I think I'd be annoyed by the sudden appearance of that plotline. We've only got 3 to 4 hours of show left. That's a hell of a curveball to throw at people at the last second. Having said that, I do think something twisty is going to happen with The Golden Company. I don't know what yet, but given how often we've been reminded they never break a contract, I can't help but feel that's exactly what they are about to do.

 

[Halo Minoptra]

[SPOILER="How many dragons are left now? Is it one or two? Or even none? And I have to say, it was (to me) an unexpected twist when the dead in the crypt came crawling out." ][/SPOILER]

 

[OrinB]

Overall, the key character body count was too low for such a momentous event. Despite the threat to the very existence of mankind, this didn't even reach the gasp-inducing kill level of the Red Wedding. So on the immediate level I was breathing a sigh of relief, but on another it just felt false. It didn't HURT, which makes the threat of the Night King since day one of the series seem a cheat. Yes, Dany lost the Dothraki horde and the Unsullied are thinned out, but we in the audience didn't suffer much at all.

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We should have lost more favorites such as Sam, Poderick, Brienne, Jaime, Davos and at least someone of note in the crypts, like Varys. Jon and Dany were relatively safe up in air, but the people on the ground should have been dogmeat.

As it is, it feels very much like the producers played it safe. Carefully excising the characters -- like Jorah and Theon -- who had pretty much finished their story arc. Letting the others survive to tidy up their stories is a narrative decision that runs counter to the authenticity of the threat against them all.

This wasn't a most memorable episode in my mind. Yes - Arya, yes - Dragons, yes Night King... Yes battle effects and staging, Yes -

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end of line for Meliandris, Yes - Theon... But oh can we see a bit more inside Bran's head... i wanna know what he's thinking, i'm bored just watching him now. Jon... um ok you rode a dragon but i wanted you to be a hero in this one. Dany - the only one with some real emotion i thought, but too little too late. Sansa looked frustrated, that's ok, she doesn't know what a pointy end is I wonder if Tyrion has a pointy end? Ok, happy to wait to see what happens there. Sam - yes there was a bit of hero left there, but him and the hound were a bit lacklustre. Jamie and Brienne - you better get your acts together in the next eps...

All in all the ep wasn't long enough for such an epic battle - i wanted to see more.

 

[Ann Launay]

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How many dragons are left now? Is it one or two? Or even none? And I have to say, it was (to me) an unexpected twist when the dead in the crypt came crawling out.

You can see two dragons flying overhead in the preview for next week. Also Ghost. (Not flying. That would be weird.)

 

[Cristalle]

That was a slaughter, there was no way for them to win without the way it went down. If the military tactics had been done differently, maybe it could have gone on for a little bit farther. But it was a mess, tactically. But that's the longest sustained battle that we've seen in one episode. Honestly, I had enough.

 

[OrinB]

That was a slaughter, there was no way for them to win without the way it went down. If the military tactics had been done differently, maybe it could have gone on for a little bit farther. But it was a mess, tactically. But that's the longest sustained battle that we've seen in one episode. Honestly, I had enough.

Exactly... Yet all we got of how the characters were reacting were a few guarded looks here and there. It's the episode I wanted longer for such an intense battle... not more battle stuff.

PS: Who's going to clean up?