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Witness Mike Pence, the pious guy from the White House and the corona task force praying for god's assistance:


Best comment so far: By praying for something to be changed, you reject God's plan. If he is almighty and omniscient then he knows what he's doing. How can you make God change his mind???
 

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Um ... you sure about the numbers there? It works out to 2%.
Oops you're right, I read it and posted it without checking. Here is my embarrassed face :flower:

Doh!
 

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This is going the rounds on Facebook. James Robb IS a renowned pathologist, and the advice seems pretty sensible. Normal warnings about what you read on the internet apply. I've been trying hard not to touch my face this afternoon, and he's bloody right, you do touch your face without realising it, all the time!


Info from James Robb, MD FCAP, a renowned pathologist:

Dear Family and Friends, as some of you may recall, when I was a professor of pathology at the University of California San Diego, I was one of the first molecular virologists in the world to work on coronaviruses (the 1970s). I was the first to demonstrate the number of genes the virus contained. Since then, I have kept up with the coronavirus field and its multiple clinical transfers into the human population (e.g., SARS, MERS), from different animal sources.

The current projections for its expansion in the US are only probable, due to continued insufficient worldwide data, but it is most likely to be widespread by mid to late March and April.
Here is what I have done and the precautions that I take and will take. These are the same precautions I currently use during our influenza seasons, except for the mask and gloves.:
1) NO HANDSHAKING! Use a fist bump, slight bow, elbow bump, etc.
2) Use ONLY your knuckle to touch light switches. elevator buttons, etc.. Lift the gasoline dispenser with a paper towel or use a disposable glove.
3) Open doors with your closed fist or hip - do not grasp the handle with your hand, unless there is no other way to open the door. Especially important on bathroom and post office/commercial doors.
4) Use disinfectant wipes at the stores when they are available, including wiping the handle and child seat in grocery carts.
5) Wash your hands with soap for 10-20 seconds and/or use a greater than 60% alcohol-based hand sanitizer whenever you return home from ANY activity that involves locations where other people have been.
6) Keep a bottle of sanitizer available at each of your home's entrances. AND in your car for use after getting gas or touching other contaminated objects when you can't immediately wash your hands.
7) If possible, cough or sneeze into a disposable tissue and discard. Use your elbow only if you have to. The clothing on your elbow will contain infectious virus that can be passed on for up to a week or more!
What I have stocked in preparation for the pandemic spread to the US:
1) Latex or nitrile latex disposable gloves for use when going shopping, using the gasoline pump, and all other outside activity when you come in contact with contaminated areas.
Note: This virus is spread in large droplets by coughing and sneezing. This means that the air will not infect you! BUT all the surfaces where these droplets land are infectious for about a week on average - everything that is associated with infected people will be contaminated and potentially infectious. The virus is on surfaces and you will not be infected unless your unprotected face is directly coughed or sneezed upon. This virus only has cell receptors for lung cells (it only infects your lungs). The only way for the virus to infect you is through your nose or mouth via your hands or an infected cough or sneeze onto or into your nose or mouth.
2) Stock up now with disposable surgical masks and use them to prevent you from touching your nose and/or mouth (We touch our nose/mouth 90X/day without knowing it!). This is the only way this virus can infect you - it is lung-specific. The mask will not prevent the virus in a direct sneeze from getting into your nose or mouth - it is only to keep you from touching your nose or mouth.
3) Stock up now with hand sanitizers and latex/nitrile gloves (get the appropriate sizes for your family). The hand sanitizers must be alcohol-based and greater than 60% alcohol to be effective.
4) Stock up now with zinc lozenges. These lozenges have been proven to be effective in blocking coronavirus (and most other viruses) from multiplying in your throat and nasopharynx. Use as directed several times each day when you begin to feel ANY "cold-like" symptoms beginning. It is best to lie down and let the lozenge dissolve in the back of your throat and nasopharynx. Cold-Eeze lozenges is one brand available, but there are other brands available.
I, as many others do, hope that this pandemic will be reasonably contained, BUT I personally do not think it will be. Humans have never seen this snake-associated virus before and have no internal defense against it. Tremendous worldwide efforts are being made to understand the molecular and clinical virology of this virus. Unbelievable molecular knowledge about the genomics, structure, and virulence of this virus has already been achieved. BUT, there will be NO drugs or vaccines available this year to protect us or limit the infection within us. Only symptomatic support is available.
I hope these personal thoughts will be helpful during this potentially catastrophic pandemic. Good luck to all of us,
James Robb, MD FCAP
 

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2) Stock up now with disposable surgical masks and use them to prevent you from touching your nose and/or mouth
YES, thank you, James Robb! This is exactly why I've ignored all the so-called advice to not buy masks. For years I've tried to train myself not to touch my face, and so far I've failed miserably. The mask seems as reasonable a way as any to minimize the harmful effects of that bad habit. It's not fail-safe by any means, but it's another hurdle that the virus has to jump.
 
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YES, thank you, James Robb! This is exactly why I've ignored all the so-called advice to not buy masks.
Wot, wot? Who's this James Robb?

we are avid mask wearers out here in the East.
The biggest benefit of wearing a mask is that it prevents you from touching your mouth with your germy hands.
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A case of "schoenmaker blijf bij je leest"? (Dutch saying meaning: Stick with what your field of competence is)

I stick with the guidelines that competent virologists give.
 
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Everyone's different but I hardly ever touch my face unless I need to scratch or get a piece of dust from my eyes while I'm awake. Asleep is a whole different story. I usually have my hand under my face.
 

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Wot, wot? Who's this James Robb?
I stick with the guidelines that competent virologists give.
Info from James Robb, MD FCAP, a renowned pathologist:

Dear Family and Friends, as some of you may recall, when I was a professor of pathology at the University of California San Diego, I was one of the first molecular virologists in the world to work on coronaviruses (the 1970s). I was the first to demonstrate the number of genes the virus contained. Since then, I have kept up with the coronavirus field and its multiple clinical transfers into the human population (e.g., SARS, MERS), from different animal sources.
He looks pretty competent to me.
 

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Seems I should have used the 🤡 emoji.
 
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Yeah no, I’m not going to use hand sanitizer whenever I comme into contact with strangers. I’ll continue to simply wash my hands. I can see why some may absolutely need to, though.
 

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FYI to those looking for masks - if you have them for sale at stores in your area I suggest you get them now. From little stores to huge stores in my part of western Washington the masks are all sold! Even Costco & Amazon have been out of the stock the last few days. Hell I can't even buy cold medicines (Nyquil, Dayquil, generic versions) on Amazon. Oh, they might put it in your cart but before they can ship it to you they send you a message saying it's out of stock & to reorder later or that they don't know when it'll be back in stock. They're sold out or fast selling out of anything related to avoiding or treating colds. I imagine that if there's a shortage now the rest of the country can expect shortages soon.
 

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He looks pretty competent to me.
We need instructions according to the KISS method.
Not a guideline list with even subdivisions.
It is al to complicated.

1. Try to remember and follow trough all he is advising. Good luck.
2. Try to lay your hands on sanitizer gels at the moment
3. Try to get masks at the moment, even dentists are struggling over here to get new masks.
4. Paper towels are not always at hand, your elbow is. Plus you can't dispose paper towels on the spot either when not at home.
And if you sneeze a bit to hard it goes right trough in to your hand, that you can't always wash on the spot.
5. So he wants a run on medical gloves as well?


So yeah, I stick to the virologists from the organizations who are trained and payed to inform the people in times like this.
 
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