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Eunoli

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I'm one of those "disposable old people" that was mentioned but at least I don't have to worry about going to work. Like Beebo, I have plenty of food & necessities stocked away & fill in the blanks this coming Friday. After that it'll be Amazon for the few misc. things I need that I'm topping off this next week (cat food, dog food, ibuprofen & eyedrops that I need). Yes I still have to come into contact with a human now & then (like the UPS guy delivering my Amazon packages) but it's far reduced compared to what other people have to be around & deal with. And no being around large groups of people even before this. FINALLY a great time to have agorophobia & be antisocial! haha The 4K+ books on my Kindles will keep me busy. :)

We started ordering from Prime Pantry earlier this week. Tons of canned and dried goods now. I think we'll be able to mostly avoid people until they at least identify the source of the virus here and hopefully it runs its course and moves on.
 

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Eunoli lemme know if you get too nervous down there & you'd be welcome at my house - that is if you don't mind being around a kitty that does parkour around the house & a grumpy old wiener dog. :)
 
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I'm nervouse because this weekend, author housemate is at a fairly large con, working in crowded conditions, then monday spouse goes into the doctor for back issues, then I go for an endoscopy on wednesday, then all three of us are going to [thankfully] a much smaller con next weekend. Can't ditch any of it, so just got to cross fingers and hope we avoid it - no cases in our neck of the woods yet that I know of.
 

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The first known case in my town is kind of around the corner, a doctor at a hospital two bus stations away. He showed symptoms after he came back from vacations in Italy and tested positive - fortunately he seems to recover now. They have identified 60 people he got into contact with, but so far nobody else got diagnosed with the virus. It's still so damned close. People started stockpiling, and hand-disinfectants and masks are sold out everywhere, but so far there is no real panic. I bought a LOT of spaghetti and toilet paper and try to stay calm.
 

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Eunoli lemme know if you get too nervous down there & you'd be welcome at my house - that is if you don't mind being around a kitty that does parkour around the house & a grumpy old wiener dog. :)
That is amazingly sweet of you, Maggy. Unfortunately, my mother who has health issues lives with me. We're safer holed up near her doctors. (Also, she is very sweet..but would make anyone who wasn't used to her 'quirks' insane). There's also animals to take care of here, though I love kitty parkour.
 

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I'm not advocating a complete lock-down, or any of the most draconian measures taken by China; they're simply not feasible in a democratic society.
Yikes! Here in the UK, our Health Secretary, Matt Hancock, has just refused to rule out precisely that:

Isolating UK cities, as the Chinese authorities did to Wuhan where coronavirus was first detected, may be necessary to stop the the spread of the outbreak, the health secretary, Matt Hancock, has conceded.

Speaking to the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show, Hancock also confirmed that the NHS was planning to bring doctors out of retirement if the coronavirus becomes more widespread.

Marr asked Hancock: “China, of course, isolated entire cities. Is it conceivable under any circumstance, you try and cut off the city in this country?”

Hancock replied: “There’s clearly a huge economic and social downside to that. But we don’t take anything off the table at this stage, because you’ve got to make sure that you have all the tools available, if that is what’s necessary. But I want to minimise the social and economic disruption.”
Doesn't mean they're going to do it, or even that they will be able to do it if they try, but they're not ruling it out.
 
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How well is the US prepared?

The US ranks high on the GHS index, but is still unprepared for a severe pandemic, should one happen. Malfunctioning coronavirus tests have frustrated public health labs and delayed outbreak monitoring. Supplies of masks, suits and other protective material for health workers are running low in the midst of a moderately severe flu season. Since the creation of a much-needed public health emergency preparedness fund in the aftermath of 9/11, its budget and the public health functions it supports have been steadily reduced. This is the mentality that left the world vulnerable to the devastating 2014 outbreak of Ebola in west Africa – that is, close the fire department and cancel the fire insurance as nobody’s house or factory has burned down lately. It’s time we learned that the bugs never stop mutating and crossing over to humans.
 

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I’m starting to actually be scared for some of you. Please stay safe, wash hands, etc. I mean, there isn’t a whole lot one can do but if you don’t have good insurance or a job with an understanding boss/good employee policies, please take care.

I'd like to point out that while guaranteed sick leave on full pay *may* be limited to ten days in the UK (? frankly I don't know) but statutory sick leave is 28 weeks at about £95 pw and most people's employers offer more far longer. My sister was given a year when she was seriously depressed, on reduced pay, but not as little as £95 a week, and then six months where she worked part time but was paid full time. So many employers are considerably more generous, and in the UK at least, it should not be necessary to put yourself and others at risk in order to keep receiving an income while quarantined. Although people on low hours contracts or self employed are in a different situation.

It seems likely that good old-fashioned nursing techniques are going to be more effective than anything else while we lack any sort of drug or vaccine, which is a bit yikes as it seems to have gone out of fashion. The things in modern life to clean properly if you're sharing with others are keyboards, remotes, phones and door handles, as those are always the things that come up with enormous bacterial loads in shared spaces. When my son is staying I wipe down taps, handles (remember the loo handle) every time I go into the bathroom - to protect him from us, not the other way around! Hand washing properly with soap and water is more effective than gel or handwipes.

It seems to me that the fear around at the moment could actually be quite positive, in terms of making people aware of the things they do which affect other people. Ali has been at meetings where people have revealed they've got a high temperature, or have been throwing up or think they have mumps, when they know he is immune supressed and there are at least two pregnant women in the department (who will be naturally immune supressed). They don't think in terms of other people on the whole. This is making them think.

The most dangerous part may come when people have had the infection and it wasn't too bad *for them* and then they become blase about it. People tend to be very selfish about judging whether things are a problem for them, as is seen by the number of nurses who think putting on a pair of latex gloves will protect from infection. It may protect *them* but it doesn't protect the patient unless they have thoroughly washed their hands and put on sterile gloves.

I'm confused about the advice from various places to keep your immune system supported with vitamin c, vitamin d and various antioxidants. Does that work for those who are deliberately immune suppressed I wonder? Or does it undermine the reason they're taking immune suppressants in the first place? I have a friend with lupus as well as my son with Crohn's, and it's difficult to get nuanced information.

From the Guardian article that Innula posted "it’s likely that health officials and the public in much of the world remain unaware or unconvinced of the danger this virus poses." That's the scary bit.
 

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I'd like to point out that while guaranteed sick leave on full pay *may* be limited to ten days in the UK (? frankly I don't know) but statutory sick leave is 28 weeks at about £95 pw and most people's employers offer more far longer. My sister was given a year when she was seriously depressed, on reduced pay, but not as little as £95 a week, and then six months where she worked part time but was paid full time. So many employers are considerably more generous, and in the UK at least, it should not be necessary to put yourself and others at risk in order to keep receiving an income while quarantined. Although people on low hours contracts or self employed are in a different situation.

It seems likely that good old-fashioned nursing techniques are going to be more effective than anything else while we lack any sort of drug or vaccine, which is a bit yikes as it seems to have gone out of fashion. The things in modern life to clean properly if you're sharing with others are keyboards, remotes, phones and door handles, as those are always the things that come up with enormous bacterial loads in shared spaces. When my son is staying I wipe down taps, handles (remember the loo handle) every time I go into the bathroom - to protect him from us, not the other way around! Hand washing properly with soap and water is more effective than gel or handwipes.

It seems to me that the fear around at the moment could actually be quite positive, in terms of making people aware of the things they do which affect other people. Ali has been at meetings where people have revealed they've got a high temperature, or have been throwing up or think they have mumps, when they know he is immune supressed and there are at least two pregnant women in the department (who will be naturally immune supressed). They don't think in terms of other people on the whole. This is making them think.

The most dangerous part may come when people have had the infection and it wasn't too bad *for them* and then they become blase about it. People tend to be very selfish about judging whether things are a problem for them, as is seen by the number of nurses who think putting on a pair of latex gloves will protect from infection. It may protect *them* but it doesn't protect the patient unless they have thoroughly washed their hands and put on sterile gloves.

I'm confused about the advice from various places to keep your immune system supported with vitamin c, vitamin d and various antioxidants. Does that work for those who are deliberately immune suppressed I wonder? Or does it undermine the reason they're taking immune suppressants in the first place? I have a friend with lupus as well as my son with Crohn's, and it's difficult to get nuanced information.

From the Guardian article that Innula posted "it’s likely that health officials and the public in much of the world remain unaware or unconvinced of the danger this virus poses." That's the scary bit.
I am in the disability affinity group at work and yes, people are worried about it.
 

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Right now, testing in the US is the problem. There just is not enough capacity to determine the scope of the spreading. Just because there are only a few isolated cases confirmed doesn't mean there aren't many many more that aren't confirmed yet. We'll see a large upswing in cases as testing increases, but we're a long way away from having a good picture of where we stand.
 

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A lot more people are under quarantine in western Washington state as of this morning. They're saying "dozens" are showing symptoms at that Kirkland, WA, nursing home where the first US patient died. That in addition to the HS student testing positive & his school being closed down. It's also in addition to 2 dozen first responders being tested that answered the calls at the nursing home. That fire station is now closed down & under quarantine too. On top of that there's a USPS package handler that's sick & tested positive for coronavirus & I imagine that postal facility will be closed down with people tested. This is all just within the first couple days since we even knew the coronavirus was in western Washington. I can see how this could explode with the number of people either sick or quarantined at home with many schools, businesses & health facilities closed.

I didn't put any links cause I saw it all on the local tv news. Those that want to check can Google King5 news or Kiro7 news for more local news on this. It's some scary shit just within 2-3 days. :(
 

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Yes things can develop quickly. Here in NL we started this week with the first patient. The guy has celebrated carnival. And now we have 8 already throughout the country. Some infected by someone who was on a ski holiday in Northern Italy and some infected on the Carnival in the hometown of the first patient.
This afternoon authorities have put a whole regional hospital in quarantine. Everyone has to be tested there.

On the bright side, the first 300 people who where in quarantine on the other side of the border (a few miles from my home) are put on the loose again because they didn't develop corona like complaints.
We still have it somewhat under control. All cases are linked to a source.
Only Northern Italy is a big concern and problematic. I would say out of control.

In my province there are 15 people monitored at the moment. They have to phone in their temperatures twice a day and need to contact as soon as they get any symptoms and stay at home of course.

Tomorrow the schools start again after the usual Carnival break. I think I will skip my duties as voluntary worker on my school the coming week.
Due to my diabetes and age, I'm in the more vulnerable group too. So I guess it is best to lean back at home and wait and see. There might have been kids on ski holiday in northern Italy as well.
 

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Brazil has just released its early estimate of the transmission rate for COVID-19:
They are on pages 6 and 7. They are all over the place, but even the low estimates are higher than Spanish Flu.

Beebo Brink - We really need to discuss your property across from mne on Clearwing. Just in case something terrible happened we should consider a trust, and I would be honoured to be given stewardship of the property. And, for the record I promise to take an appropriate mourning period before putting it to the bulldozer.

Think about it and IM me.