Confederate flag/statue banning thread

[Innula Zenovka]

After the Lost Cause

Why are politics so consumed with the past?

www.newyorker.com

Evernote link because why not

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Cancel culture at work

Book event examining slavery’s role in Battle of the Alamo canceled after Texas GOP leaders complained, authors say

Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick confirmed on Twitter that he called for the event to be canceled.

www.kwtx.com

 

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[Cindy Claveau]

A State by State list of racist Confederate monuments that have been removed so far

According to a 2020 study by the Southern Poverty Law Center, Confederate monuments aren't falling all that fast. Although the study found that 270 Confederate symbols have been removed over the past few years, over 1,600 remain. Some states, like West Virginia, haven't even removed any.

 

[CronoCloud Creeggan]

A State by State list of racist Confederate monuments that have been removed so far
Some states, like West Virginia, haven't even removed any.

Rhetorical question, because I know why, but why does West Virginia have ANY at all. After all, it exists because the northwestern part of the state seceded from the slaving secessionist part.

The reason: Migratory patterns after the Civil War meant that Ex-Confederates fled the ravaged south for places further west, and north. Which is why West Virginia and Kentucky which did NOT secede have Confederate monuments. And why the rocky mountain states are full of neo-confederate sentiments.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Not really Confederate statues, but I thought it belonged here, since our slave states were in the Caribbean.

Protesters demand wealthy MP pays up for family’s slave trade past

Evernote link because why not

 

[Khamon]

Why did we start saying "Evernote link because why not" rather than "Evernote link because paywall" like we used to?

 

[Soen Eber]

Why did we start saying "Evernote link because why not" rather than "Evernote link because paywall" like we used to?

Because Disney bought the rights and we're not allowed to say or write it anymore

 

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"We?"

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Why did we start saying "Evernote link because why not" rather than "Evernote link because paywall" like we used to?

Because someone asked me to.

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

So.... My state legislature person was getting upset because he was...

A: Accused of being at the local White Lives Matter rally [local being next county over].
B: Being accused of being descended from White Jamacans [after trying to say 'I'm not racist, I've Jamaican ancestors] [he's buddies with Gaetz... yeah, right]
C: Being called out on trying to claim his ancestors never owned slaves [by myself included, because if my northern ancestors ended up with slaves? Yeah, right.... you won't know]

Meanwhile, he represents the one city in Florida that to my knowledge was held by the Union during the civil war and was really unhappy when the State decided we needed confederate statues....

 

[Innula Zenovka]

So.... My state legislature person was getting upset because he was...

A: Accused of being at the local White Lives Matter rally [local being next county over].
B: Being accused of being descended from White Jamacans [after trying to say 'I'm not racist, I've Jamaican ancestors] [he's buddies with Gaetz... yeah, right]
C: Being called out on trying to claim his ancestors never owned slaves [by myself included, because if my northern ancestors ended up with slaves? Yeah, right.... you won't know]

Meanwhile, he represents the one city in Florida that to my knowledge was held by the Union during the civil war and was really unhappy when the State decided we needed confederate statues....

What was the ancestor's job in Jamaica, and when was this?

I've recently read Slave Empire by Padraic X Scanlan, and I think, before the Slavery Abolition Act 1833, it was not at all unusual for the owner of a sugar or coffee plantation the the English and British Caribbean slave colonies and the enslaved workforce would not infrequently return to England once he'd established his business, leaving it for his managers and factors to look after the day-to-day running of the business and send him home the profits.

The managers, factors and overseers didn't own the slaves or the plantations, but they oversaw and ran the plantations and profited from them, and, in the owner's absence, as well as when he was there, they tortured, raped, mutilated and murdered their enslaved victims.

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

What was the ancestor's job in Jamaica, and when was this?

I've recently read Slave Empire by Padraic X Scanlan, and I think, before the Slavery Abolition Act 1833, it was not at all unusual for the owner of a sugar or coffee plantation the the English and British Caribbean slave colonies and the enslaved workforce would not infrequently return to England once he'd established his business, leaving it for his managers and factors to look after the day-to-day running of the business and send him home the profits.

The managers, factors and overseers didn't own the slaves or the plantations, but they oversaw and ran the plantations and profited from them, and, in the owner's absence, as well as when he was there, they tortured, raped, mutilated and murdered their enslaved victims.

You know, to me its more the whole.... you can't be sure. I was positive, with a northern father whose family had been here since the 1600s, and a mother with all four grandparents being from Eastern Europe, that there couldn't possibly be slave owners in my tree.... then found out that in the 1600s, Quakers couldn't get indentured servants to work their farms in the Dutch colonies..... so bought them. So, yeah....

And I've no idea about my state congresscritter's family.

 

[Argent Stonecutter]

My ancestors never touched the shores of the Americas but I'm sure some of them were slaves or the equivalent AND slave owners or the equivalent in Europe some time between the creation of city-states big enough to have them and now.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

The rightwing US textbooks that teach slavery as ‘black immigration’

Guardian analysis finds that private schools, especially Christian schools, use textbooks that tell of a version of history that is racially biased and inaccurate

www.theguardian.com

Evernote link

 

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The rightwing US textbooks that teach slavery as ‘black immigration’

Guardian analysis finds that private schools, especially Christian schools, use textbooks that tell of a version of history that is racially biased and inaccurate

www.theguardian.com

At least, I used to believe that...

 

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Not quite on topic, but close enough.

 

[Romana]

Not quite on topic, but close enough.

On topic enough, because it's a statue and because he owned slaves.
It would also fit in the 'Republican bugaboos' thread, because "socialist agenda" (being anything that threatens their perceived greatness or whatever they think will scare people into voting for them).