Brexit.

[Innula Zenovka]

Well, if they hold another referendum, I hope they include "pie" as an option.



Could've avoided the whole mess if they'd done that in the first place.

Runs off to start crowdfunding a legal action to have the first referendum declared invalid because it omitted "Pie" as an option.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Gosh: The Sunday Times (not the NYT) reports that Theresa May’s team plots new EU referendum

Evernote Link because £wall

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

To be fair, he is actually right in one way: nobody likes the backstop solution.

Well, maybe he got that one right, but that is where it actually ends already, because if both sides dislike it equally, it means that both sides are deeply committed and motivated to not let this become a permanent thing. That's what he's not been telling.

 

[Myficals]

Somewhat off-topic but I just rewatched 'breakfast on pluto' (set during the Troubles). How can anyone over there want that time to happen again?

Bluntly? Because they're Irish. Long before the English were making lives miserable in Africa, Asia and other corners of the world, they were practising those talents on the Scotts, Welsh and Irish.

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

A video which should have been around in 2016 for most of its parts, just let's call it propaganda from the other side:

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Well, maybe he got that one right, but that is where it actually ends already, because if both sides dislike it equally, it means that both sides are deeply committed and motivated to not let this become a permanent thing. That's what he's not been telling.

The Brexit Taliban's concerns about the backstop reveal that they don't think it will be possible to conclude the terms of the future relationship before the end of 2020. They're probably correct in this assessment but these are exactly the same people who were telling us that a trade deal with the EU would be the simplest thing in the world to acheive.

 

[Pamela]

A video which should have been around in 2016 for most of its parts, just let's call it propaganda from the other side:

That is very interesting. the bottom line for all of us is that the more familiar people are with immigrants, the more accepting they are likely to be.

 

[Kara Spengler]

Bluntly? Because they're Irish. Long before the English were making lives miserable in Africa, Asia and other corners of the world, they were practising those talents on the Scotts, Welsh and Irish.

Now I am confused .... I thought remain votes were heavy in NI?

 

[Kara Spengler]

That is very interesting. the bottom line for all of us is that the more familiar people are with immigrants, the more accepting they are likely to be.

Yeah, we are seeing the same thing in the US. It is even more perplexing here because most families in the US emigrated within the past few generations.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Now I am confused .... I thought remain votes were heavy in NI?

Yes, they were. However, the main Nationalist (i.e. Irish Nationalist, and advocating unification with the Republic of Ireland) party in Northern Ireland is Sinn Fein, who won't take their seats in the House of Commons, because so doing involves swearing allegiance to the British crown. They were pro-Remain. So the majority of Irish MPs are members of the Democratic Unionist Party, who are in favour of Brexit but even more in favour of preventing any sort of deal whereby NI is treated differently from the rest of the UK, since they fear that this would be a precursor to eventual union with the RoI.

Despite having campaigned for Brexit during the referendum, the DUP would be more willing to accept the whole of the UK remaining in the EU than they would a withdrawal agreement that created any sort of customs barriers between NI and the rest of the UK. They don't want a hard customs border between the RoI and Northern Ireland, but still less do they want a border running down the middle of the Irish Sea (or St George's Channel, as I think they prefer to call it) with NI on what the Unionists see as the wrong side of it.

 

[Luisa Land]

Maybe some additional Information concerning Northern Ireland, Brexit and the DUP
Pressure grows on stubborn DUP to avoid Brexit ‘countdown to disaster’

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

Yes, they were. However, the main Nationalist (i.e. Irish Nationalist, and advocating unification with the Republic of Ireland) party in Northern Ireland is Sinn Fein, who won't take their seats in the House of Commons, because so doing involves swearing allegiance to the British crown. They were pro-Remain.

I would like to add some needed context for our American readers, who just do think that Sinn Fein is another typical, political party: it is not. It was the political arm of the now quiet Irish Republican Army - short IRA - which as a terror organisation is responsible for a vast array of terror attacks in the UK of the last 90 years, or so.

While the IRA declared an end to the armed conflict in 2005, and now officially is disbanded, the people of course are still there.

The former president of Sinn Fein, who stepped down during this year, supposedly had ties with the IRA; the new one has none.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

This is what happened to a customs post when we used to have a hard border between the RoI and NI (and it may help explain why I started to get cross earlier):

Family of lorry driver killed in IRA bomb at customs post fear return of hard border

What if Brexit brings the violence back?

 

[Innula Zenovka]

The Sunday Times warns (Evernote link because £wall) No-deal Brexit travel warning: don’t go on holiday after March 29

Families will be advised not to book holidays after next March, according to contingency plans being drawn up to prepare for a no-deal Brexit.
The proposed guidance, which will shock the travel industry, was expected to be discussed at last week’s cancelled cabinet meeting, after civil servants were told to ramp up emergency planning.

Senior officials have explored the idea with at least one cabinet minister and discussed the impact that the advice could have on specific tour operators amid fears it might bankrupt them. A leak inquiry was under way in No 10 last night to establish how the proposal became public.

But...but... BLUE PASSPORTS!!!

 

[Sid]

Minister Jeremy Hunt said he was positive about a no deal and that he “would like to have a crack” at being prime minister. “I’ve always thought that even in a no-deal situation this is a great country. We’ll find a way to flourish and prosper,” he told The Sunday Telegraph.

That will be a great relief for the thousands that easily could loose their jobs over this matter.


Only one conclusion possible: The British government still has no clue what they are facing with a no deal Brexit.
And that with only 103 days to go until March 29. 74 Business days.

Edited to add the quote and another comment.

 

[Ashiri]

Only one conclusion possible: The British government still has no clue what they are facing with a no deal Brexit.

It's quite clear that a large number believe in fantasy. A poisonous fantasy regarding the place of Britain in the world. Stupid little nationalists believing their place of birth makes them special.

 

[Luisa Land]

Minister Jeremy Hunt said he was positive about a no deal and that he “would like to have a crack” at being prime minister. “I’ve always thought that even in a no-deal situation this is a great country. We’ll find a way to flourish and prosper,” he told The Sunday Telegraph.


will be a great relief for the thousands that easily could loose their jobs over this matter.


Only one conclusion possible: The British government still has no clue what they are facing with a no deal Brexit.
And that with only 103 days to go until March 29. 74 Business days.

Edited to add the quote and another comment.

This kind of rhetoric pacifier for the british public by british politicans are not helpfull- They do more harm,
The trust into the political system vanishes
besides the economic damage which will occur more or less, many see also a long lasting political crisis for the UK arising.
Many Brits dont want to hear about Brexit meanwhile. But that doesnt mean it has no influence on their political attitude and behaviour

 

[Innula Zenovka]

I don't think the British public is listening to the politicians on Brexit much, not any more. Rather, the Conservative Members of Parliament are talking pretty much to or, more accurately, at each other and their party members, and that conversation is more about who is going to be the next leader after whatever is going to happen does actually happen.

Meanwhile, Labour MPs are keeping quiet, to the increasing frustration of more and more of their supporters and party members (including me), partly because they don't want to divert attention from the Conservatives tearing each other apart and partly because the party leadership doesn't want to come off the fence and support what most, I am sure, Labour Party members and MPs want -- a referendum with Remain as an option -- before they have to (and in the case of some of the leadership, until they're forced do). The Labour Party is split on the issue, too, cf course, but nowhere near as badly as are the Conservatives.

Meanwhile, I think most people are getting increasingly tired of the politicians an increasingly worried about the consequences of crashing out the EU by accident. I know I am.

I still don't think No Deal is a likely outcome, but I'm very aware that it's one we could stumble into by accident, since everyone's strategy depends on taking it right down to the wire, and that's risky.

 

[Free]

You know you've made it when you get your very own Cumberbatch movie.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Meanwhile, I think most people are getting increasingly tired of the politicians

Perhaps it's time for some experts to step up.