12 Story Hirise Collapses In Miami Beach

[Argent Stonecutter]

I've read about a number of native island communities and communities located in inlets along the East Coast. And there were coastal Chumash villages north of where Los Angeles is now.

 

[Veritable Quandry]

There were villages all along the Pacific coast. As well as a significant trade network based on seagoing boats, even in the rough waters on the Oregon/Washington/BC coasts.

 

[Soen Eber]

You'll find all sorts of villages directly on the sea or very close to it in Norway and Greece, given the mountainous landscape and lack of arable land.

They're not built on marshes or flood plains, however.

 

[WolfEyes]

I've read about a number of native island communities and communities located in inlets along the East Coast. And there were coastal Chumash villages north of where Los Angeles is now.

There weren't any permanent settlements on the coast itself. They did not build on beaches.

 

[Argent Stonecutter]

Chumash villages near the tideline have been depicted, but they weren't super-permanent structures.

 

[Veritable Quandry]

 

[WolfEyes]

You're thinking way more recently than I am.

 

[Beebo Brink]

We know so little about patterns of human coastal settlements and migrations in the Americas because sea level rise at the end of the last ice age has wiped them out.

 

[Veritable Quandry]

You're thinking way more recently than I am.

The first European explorers to reach the Pacific Coast recorded many villages consisting of clusters of plank houses facing the ocean.

The timbers do not preserve well but middens made of discarded shells indicate thousands of years of occupation of the coast.

 

[WolfEyes]

I'm just saying that they didn't build in certain places because they knew better. Unlike the builders of the past 200 years or so. They knew being on the coast was not smart because hurricanes (for example), even if they didn't know what a hurricane was, they knew there were very strong storms that they would not survive. There were also places that were considered scared land or hunting grounds they did not live in. I think the reasons why are pretty obvious.

I find it rather amusing you all are banking on white history records and not the knowledge of someone who is indigneous.

 

[Veritable Quandry]

One of my dad's friends growing up was a Chinook storyteller. Tribes on the Pacific coast have oral histories that reflect a long association with the sea.

Archeology confirms long occupation. Tools used to build plank houses were developed by coastal tribes using easily available local materials.

In much of the Pacific Northwest there is very little land to build on between the water and the mountains. And the most reliable food source was the ocean. Plank longhouses can weather typical Pacific storms. Other seafaring people used them (Viking settlements included similar structures). It kept people near their boats, which provided food, trade, and resources.

So please forgive me for accepting multiple strands of evidence that fucking boatload of tribes on the Pacific coast lived on the fucking Pacific coast including the oral histories of Pacific Coast peoples over your automatic authority over every topic on indigenous peoples.

eta: The largest settlements were in bays or sounds that offered protection from the worst storms but before we start splitting hairs, these protected harbors are part of the ocean.

 

[Soen Eber]

I will say that a simple wooden structure on a beach is quite different than a 12 story highrise. Especially one built by corrupt parties building cheap for people who could just afford 80's prices but would've been priced out by today.

And I also seriously doubt Native Americans would have had to hubris to build major cities on sand dunes (Atlantic coast) and marshes several feet below sea level (New Orleans). I don't know why people are so arrogant nowadays. Greed, I guess, and living financial quarter to financial quarter.

And neither are the ones I was pointing to in Norway and Greece. Maybe 3 stories at best, and with reasonable protection from the worst of the sea in sheltered areas.

 

[WolfEyes]

I will say that a simple wooden structure on a beach is quite different than a 12 story highrise. Especially one built by corrupt parties building cheap for people who could just afford 80's prices but would've been priced out by today.

And I also seriously doubt Native Americans would have had to hubris to build major cities on sand dunes (Atlantic coast) and marshes several feet below sea level (New Orleans). I don't know why people are so arrogant nowadays. Greed, I guess, and living financial quarter to financial quarter.

And neither are the ones I was pointing to in Norway and Greece. Maybe 3 stories at best, and with reasonable protection from the worst of the sea in sheltered areas.

Thank you. That's what I was trying to say.

 

[Cristiano]

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[Beebo Brink]

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