I don’t know a single person in my immediate family that hasn’t seen a specialist. I’ve been navigating the healthcare system since I was a child. The *vast majority* of people have not and do not. They see a specialist occasionally. No one is saying it’s a rare outlier and I’m tired of your bad faith nonsense.
You’re now arguing something that can be quantified, so I expect you to produce a statistic and not just your family experience, because the plural of anecdote is not data.
Most of my information about financial barriers to care under current ACA comes from the Commonwealth Fund, which is not a particularly lefty source.
It turns out that low income patients are still going without outpatient care and then showing up in the ER because at the present time, outpatient care is too often too expensive.
Saying “tough,” doesn’t keep hospitals in low income areas from closing. It doesn’t keep patients out of ruinous debt. It doesn’t keep these patients from showing up later in the Medicaid system when they used to be employees.
Literally no one debates this. Binden’s plan slashes current barriers to care dramatically as does M4A. But no plan and no system in the world removes all barriers to care. Which is what you seem to be implying must be the case for a plan to be legitimate.
If it doesn’t remove financial barriers to normal outpatient care, it’s going to lead to hospital closures.
Again, you’re ignoring the reality of my points to argue against your own straw men. No one said these things never happen. And, of course, they will be most frequent as people who had no coverage start to get covered. That’s the whole point. But we are talking about:
1. People living more than 138% above the FPL,
who
2. Chose plans with a $500-$1000 deductible they can’t afford
and
3. Need to spend that entire deductible first thing every year.
That is not the vast majority of people. Do we still have to help those people who find themselves in that circumstance? Of course. But there will always be people we have to tweak the system to help better.
This year a minority of patients are going to show up and sink the healthcare system (if there’s no form of bailout or nationalization) and it simply doesn’t matter whether the majority is involved or not, they are affected by the system collapse.
I‘m a healthcare voter, Brenda. I know plenty of people that are healthcare voters. Being a healthcare voter doesn’t mean you think M4A is the only option.
But you still haven’t offered any specifics and I’m also not seeing Biden offer any specifics beyond what sounds like a corporate bailout.
A public option, while a shrinking portion of the workforce remains on private insurance, doesn’t leverage the cost saving advantage of a large buyer. We would effectively be using taxpayers’ money just so a shrinking portion of the population doesn’t have to change insurance - the portion who are both privately insured and not nearing retirement.
No, you just keep arguing against shit no one’s said because it suits the points you want to make. No one said ERs were adequate healthcare. I said the situation where most people find themselves needing to unexpectedly use up a deductible was an emergency and no one was going to be denied care in that situation. Everything else is shit you’re inventing.
It’s not just emergencies that use up the deductible, but since it’s never happened to someone you know, of course it doesn’t exist and I’m making it up.
It’s interesting that you chose to highlight the point where I tell you to stop putting words in my mouth and pretending I’ve said the things you want to argue when I haven’t and turn it into me attacking Bernie supporters and Twitter fights. That manipulative shit right there is why I’ve been mostly blocking you.
Block away, I’m never going to care about Twitter fights I wasn’t there for.
Bernie is a worthless fuck. I loathe him. As for anyone that plans to vote for him, I cannot throw stones at that glass house. I fell for his grift, too. But I take issue with the racism, misogyny, propaganda, false information, and hypocrisy of him and his toxic campaign staff. And I will continue use to take issue with it.
Here’s your buyer’s remorse. But I was a Clinton supporter last time and then a Castro supporter this time while I could. I don’t have to like Biden, mostly because he’s way, way to the right of me. That’s not going to change unless Biden changes, and right now he seems to be digging in.
WTF are you talking about? No one’s staying home. If anything voting numbers are higher because people can’t wait to vote against Sanders. It hurts down ballot races because of the way resources get allocated before and after the primary across the party. A lot of things cannot happen until the nominee is set. Bernie knew this in 2016. He knows it now.
It’s too early to tell the late voting states the choice has been made for them, but this is what it amounts to, if the primary is effectively shut down now.
I don’t believe it’s simply Bernie’s fault Clinton didn’t get a stronger majority. If you’re afraid of the same thing happening to Biden, what kind of lack of confidence is that? It would mean he was not really a strong candidate, even now. Even now when the small number of persuadable conservatives are becoming healthcare voters (for example, Kentucky before COVID).
No one thinks they are. Which it why it was a dumb question to press Biden on. It’s even dumber to act like he was saying he’d veto M4A when what he was actually doing was assuring the huge number of voters who have pre-existing conditions he won’t sign any plan that fucks us. If he’s the nominee and we control both houses M4A would still never end up on his desk. It’s a bullshit question.
There’s nothing wrong with pressing a question and Biden needs to start coming up with more concrete answers. It would take the wind out of the sails of his opponents if he did. He’s a Dem, why doesn’t he go on the healthcare offensive?
I didn’t hand wave. I explained that the proposed deductibles are (1) an incredible improvement over the current state of affairs, (2) don’t apply to the most vulnerable, (3) would not be not a barrier for the vast majority of citizens, and (4) that other plans impose a tax burden that is equal to or greater than the deductible burden. That‘s not hand waving. It’s reality.
Policy proposals are not “reality” and the present actual reality is about to break.
Good for you. Bernie’s surrogates and campaign staff are. The harm they cause doesn’t go away just because it’s on a format some people don’t participate in.
Still not enough to convince me Biden is less of a problem, he’s just a different problem. His followers are less stupidly immature on Twitter and this is supposed to be convincing how exactly?
And we are, once again, back to shit no one’s said but you apparently want to pretend someone did so you can make whatever point you think you’re making.
You’re headed back toward the ad hominem nonsense again.
Show me something more concrete than Twitter flamewars, because right now you’re just spouting anger and from here it just looks like your own buyer’s remorse.
