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[Sid]

May I ask why you facepalmed my last post, Govi?
Madam Salome thinks she can pull this off against other regulars on this forums.
I highly disagree with such an action.

 

[Kara Spengler]

Cross posting from the "official" forum, after reading the body of the petition in full:

Do you have three to eight weeks of food, medication and other supplies as well as the storage space for it? If you do then whoopdie doo! You're lucky.

Not everyone can do so, be it for financial reasons, logistic reasons or both.

For me? Even pooling together the resources available between myself and the others I live with, we'd be lucky to be able to amass the supplies we'd need - which does include medication. As far as storage goes? We'd have to take up floor space in the apartment itself.

The store room in the basement is prone to flooding when it rains and the 'common area' spaces have been taken up by things belonging to our upstairs neighbors. This includes a good chunk of the garage space.
If anyone is confused: This building is a two story house that was converted into two identical two bedroom apartments. In addition to the entry area (thankfully not cluttered up) the shared spaces include the attached garage (supposed to be split between the apartments) and the main basement area (where there are hookups for a washer and dryer per unit as well as two wash basins and the HVAC units).

Most of that basement space has been taken up by the upstairs neighbors' belongings - no idea what half of it is and I frankly do not care. It is bad enough that even if we had our own washer and dryer (we don't, they do) we'd not be able to use them. As it is, we'd have to move their stuff to install them.

Heaven forbid we try to talk to them ... The last time was a disaster and a half and made it quite clear we were dealing with people who believe they own the bloody building.

TL : DR - The petition can rot.

That is if you have a house. If you have an appartment there is probably no way you can store that much stuff. Especially meds, not all of which you can stock up on because of existing laws.

 

[Pamela]

I literally cannot isolate myself from the other people in the shared house, at the pharmacy and the doctor’s office, or the grocery. That doesn’t make me, or other people in communal living situations, responsible for the pandemic.

No one is expected to isolate from people in their own household. How would anyone but mansion dwellers even do that? When you have to go out for essentials, keep six feet distance. I assume you know the drill. The problem is when the drill is considered optional. People are out spreading the virus. We are on track NOW for millions of deaths In the USA. Is that what you want? Because I don’t get it.

 

[Kara Spengler]

I may be forced to be nice over on the official forum but here? Nope.

Fuck right off with that bullshit.

Having a vehicle would be utterly irrelevant - I can't drive, we can't use it for storage and we can't go out and rent a storage space.

Can you? Lovely! You can still fuck right off.

Exactly! I have epilepsy, I legally can not drive either.

 

[Brenda Archer]

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That is if you have a house. If you have an appartment there is probably no way you can store that much stuff. Especially meds, not all of which you can stock up on because of existing laws.

Yup. They will only pay for a month at a time, so when a prescription is low it’s back to the pharmacy.

 

[Kara Spengler]

Are...are people under the impression that you are not allowed to send a household member out for food or meds during periods of martial law or lockdowns?

It depends on what is ordered. There is also anything you bring in may have the virus on it.

 

[Sid]

That is if you have a house. If you have an appartment there is probably no way you can store that much stuff. Especially meds, not all of which you can stock up on because of existing laws.

I can't stock up any medication that I need, apart form self medication like paracetamol. Nobody can over here.
Medicine on doctors prescription is for max 3 months at a time.

 

[Spirits Rising]

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Yup. They will only pay for a month at a time, so when a prescription is low it’s back to the pharmacy.

Hell, just one of my meds would eat - I think - sixty bucks. Might have been higher, I can't remember. and that was only revealed thanks to a pharmacy screw up (they forgot to put the updated label on the bottle so that the system knew my CareSource covered it). Even on a good month, that is money I do not have.

 

[Brenda Archer]

No one is expected to isolate from people in their own household. How would anyone but mansion dwellers even do that? When you have to go out for essentials, keep six feet distance. I assume you know the drill. The problem is when the drill is considered optional. People are out spreading the virus. We are on track NOW for millions of deaths In the USA. Is that what you want? Because I don’t get it.

These people are not “my own household.” It’s transitional housing for disabled people. My own space is literally one tiny room.

People with roommates, in shared houses and in group homes are not always living with people they chose or can trust. Even if they are, if one of them works, or if medical people are coming in daily to check on people, real isolation isn’t happening.

Nobody is standing six feet away in line at the pharmacy. It would be nice if they did.

 

[Brenda Archer]

No one is expected to isolate from people in their own household. How would anyone but mansion dwellers even do that? When you have to go out for essentials, keep six feet distance. I assume you know the drill. The problem is when the drill is considered optional. People are out spreading the virus. We are on track NOW for millions of deaths In the USA. Is that what you want? Because I don’t get it.

You want to blame people in communal living situations - which is NOT the same thing as a family in a house - for doing what they have to do to carry on daily life, as if they’re spreading germs on purpose.

That’s thoughtless at best. You’re not getting it. A communal living situation is not a family.

 

[Pamela]

You want to blame people in communal living situations - which is NOT the same thing as a family in a house - for doing what they have to do to carry on daily life, as if they’re spreading germs on purpose.

That’s thoughtless at best. You’re not getting it. A communal living situation is not a family.

I really have no idea where you are getting any of this. And I don’t see your point. But it doesn’t really matter.

 

[Kara Spengler]

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Yup. They will only pay for a month at a time, so when a prescription is low it’s back to the pharmacy.

It is not just a matter of payment. Two of my meds I can not refill until about 2 days before I run out. Which does not leave much room for error.

 

[Brenda Archer]

I really have no idea where you are getting any of this. And I don’t see your point. But it doesn’t really matter.

You seem to want to blame people who can’t stock up and isolate.

But to isolate you have to have a place where you can isolate.

Blaming the people who don’t have this for being germ spreaders doesn’t make sense.

Society forces poor people to be crowded together, and to live at least partly in public. This causes a lot of problems, but is thought of as being cheaper. That doesn’t work out in a pandemic. It’s not the fault of the people who don’t have a private space to go to and isolate.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

I can't stock up any medication that I need, apart form self medication like paracetamol. Nobody can over here.
Medicine on doctors prescription is for max 3 months at a time.

It is the same here.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

You want to blame people in communal living situations - which is NOT the same thing as a family in a house - for doing what they have to do to carry on daily life, as if they’re spreading germs on purpose.

That’s thoughtless at best. You’re not getting it. A communal living situation is not a family.

I don't think anyone is blaming. There is a need for people who live communally to have some options. I wouldn't expect that much will be done to support or help those folks.

Tempers are getting frayed, but all you can do is do the very best you can to protect both yourself and others; basic things like keeping a distance where possible, not coughing/sneezing openly, washing hands, sanitizing...etc. If having to go out and about, perhaps trying to self-isolate as much as possible within those living conditions so as to not infect the others since this virus can be asymptomatic for quite some time... You get the idea.

No, the circumstances are definitely not ideal, but you only can do what you can do to be mindful to protect both yourself and others.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

For what it's worth, here's the British government's current advice on self-isolating, intended for

• people with symptoms that may be caused by coronavirus, and do not require hospital treatment, who must remain at home until they are well
• those living in households with someone who shows symptoms that may be caused by coronavirus

It accepts that not everyone is in a position to avoid all contact with the rest of humanity for seven or fourteen days, and offers what seems to me realistic advice

[Withdrawn] [Withdrawn] Stay at home: guidance for households with possible or confirmed coronavirus (COVID-19) infection

www.gov.uk

 

[Pamela]

Another explanation of why supression is our only hope of not becoming the nightmare of Italy.

But it’s probably too late.

COVID-19: Symptoms, incubation, prevention, and more

COVID-19 is a highly contagious infectious disease resulting from a recently identified coronavirus. Learn to curb its spread and more here.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

 

[Salome]

Madam Salome thinks she can pull this off against other regulars on this forums.
I highly disagree with such an action.

Pull off what? Providing practical information instead of trying to play oppression olympics? The availability of meds and food has nothing to do with whether or not we go into a semi-lockdown mode to keep the virus from spreading, and I’m telling you from experiences that if shortages do occur you want the distribution of available supplies to happen in an orderly, safe atmosphere and not leave people to their own devices. My meds aren’t going to magically appear anymore than anyone else’s but giving other people irrational fears over something that may need to happen is selfish and unnecessary.

 

[Dakota Tebaldi]

This one goes in the "maybe" column, because the cause isn't yet known, but it could be highly important: a company that makes "smart" thermometers has detected an anomalous spike in what it asserts is non-flu-related fevers across most of the state of Florida, which may indicate that the novel coronavirus is more prevalent there than is currently reported

Kinsa Health, a San Francisco-based company that has sold or given away thousands of smart thermometers to households in Florida, has the power to track in real-time people’s fevers as soon as they test for them. The thermometer data serves as an early warning of illness, and the company has used it to track the spread of the flu in Florida and around the country for six years.

As the novel coronavirus has spread, Kinsa Health has tracked a “strong correlation” between confirmed COVID-19 cases and illness that cannot be explained or attributed to seasonal flu across Florida, potentially indicating the spread of the virus is faster than the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was reporting it, said Patrick Phillips, head of data science for Kinsa Health.

“Related to other states, Florida is a class of its own,’’ he said.

Nita Nehru, spokeswoman for Kinsa Health, said the thermometer data shows “that Florida is actually two times as severe in illness right now for what we would expect in a normal flu season based on the illness signature of a geography.

“Some of this activity may be due to a late resurgence of H1N1 flu, but it is definitely also picking up COVID,’’ she said.

 

[Brenda Archer]

I don't think anyone is blaming. There is a need for people who live communally to have some options. I wouldn't expect that much will be done to support or help those folks.

Tempers are getting frayed, but all you can do is do the very best you can to protect both yourself and others; basic things like keeping a distance where possible, not coughing/sneezing openly, washing hands, sanitizing...etc. If having to go out and about, perhaps trying to self-isolate as much as possible within those living conditions so as to not infect the others since this virus can be asymptomatic for quite some time... You get the idea.

No, the circumstances are definitely not ideal, but you only can do what you can do to be mindful to protect both yourself and others.

No one has disagreed with this. But insisting people already have resources they don’t comes off simply as scolding.