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I don't know if you actually read the article, but the main reason they're glad Biden looks like becoming the nominee seems to be that they think Sanders' likely style of government has too much in common with Trump's approach to things for comfort.
 

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I don't know if you actually read the article, but the main reason they're glad Biden looks like becoming the nominee seems to be that they think Sanders' likely style of government has too much in common with Trump's approach to things for comfort.
They make those comparisons all the time, it triggers this response in party loyalists. But I think that, given a hostile Congress, he would by necessity have to exercise similar power to get a measure of his agenda done.

ETA: cajoling people to do the right thing has long been an advertised part of the plan. Trump uses Twitter for evil, but Bernie would use it to make positive changes.
 
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Posting articles not for the content they actually contain, but for the conclusions you want everyone else to draw from them is the same kind of tactic conspiracy nutters use when they post photos and try to convince you that shape in the corner is really a “crisis actor” or “shadow person.”
 

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But I think that, given a hostile Congress, he would by necessity have to exercise similar power to get a measure of his agenda done.
Or, more likely given Biden's character, he'd simply cave.

[edit]meaning that we'll end up with McConnell running the country in all but name[/edit]
 

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They make those comparisons all the time, it triggers this response in party loyalists. But I think that, given a hostile Congress, he would by necessity have to exercise similar power to get a measure of his agenda done.
From the article:
Biden hasn’t yet secured the Democratic nomination, much less defeated President Donald Trump, of course. And even if Biden wins in November, there are no guarantees that he would prove any friendlier to K Street than Barack Obama, who once pledged that lobbyists “won’t find a job in my White House.”

Still, Democratic lobbyists expect a Biden administration would be easier to deal with than a Sanders one.

“You sort of know what a Biden administration looks like, and there’s a sense of comfort in that,” said Ivan Zapien, a lobbyist and former Democratic congressional staffer.

Biden, for instance, is less likely to attack companies routinely and by name on Twitter, as both Sanders and Trump have done — a point Monument Advocacy made in the memo it sent to clients after Sanders’ win in Nevada.

“Like President Trump, Bernie uses twitter to target businesses and industries,” the firm warned in its memo. “While his 9.1 million followers trail the President’s 40 million plus by a significant margin, his tweets are often just as biting and targeted at the C-suite, often by name.”

Matt McAlvanah, a former Obama administration official who wrote the memo, wrote in an email to POLITICO that Biden’s comeback “has calmed many nerves.”
“Businesses are hopeful that it’s a signal that we’re not entering an era of bouncing from one ideological extreme to the other,” he wrote.
 

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Which particular conditions do you think may probably change in a way that could now flip the numbers sufficiently dramatically to give Sanders a realistic chance of the nomination, short of Biden being incapacitated in some way?
It’s fascinating how closely the talking points from certain “I think for myself and everyone else are cowards who cannot vote their convictions” posters here match those of Russian troll farms. No wonder they have to downplay and dismiss the role of foreign influence and propaganda.
 

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Pavlov would be envious.
 

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I was just advocating for a solution. Sue me. Only fighting Trump right now is as productive as shooting yourself in the foot and then gunning down everyone around you. We have to appeal to Local, State, and Federal systems for today. Right now. Solutions. I'll take it from any leadership and any voice.

Did you ever stop to think what could be accomplished, right now, by funneling resources down to the individual and putting it into the communities?
It beats filling up a enema bag with blame and flinging it all over the place. It beats blowing up the Middle East.

I don't have guaranteed income coming every month, neither do many of my neighbors.
Advocating for a solution that can and will never happen under this leader? The one that you couldn't be bothered to see didn't get into office?

Now, you are all about unity in finding solutions? Nothing in your posting history comes close to backing that up.

Nah, you're continuing your "Tulsi Gabbard is a voice of reason" grift, and trying to lay it on us that we should especially listen to her now, because of the dangerous situation we find ourselves in, taking advantage of it to push her still. Fuck off.
 

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It’s fascinating how closely the talking points from certain “I think for myself and everyone else are cowards who cannot vote their convictions” posters here match those of Russian troll farms. No wonder they have to downplay and dismiss the role of foreign influence and propaganda.
You know, @thinklyshop can go diaff just for that. If its a bot, then I'm impressed, they remembered the 'a' in there, but yeah.
 

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You know, @thinklyshop can go diaff just for that. If its a bot, then I'm impressed, they remembered the 'a' in there, but yeah.
These talking points (along with the “Boomer Remover”) are being spread heavily by troll farms and then amplified by Sanders/GOP influencer accounts.
 

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My state has moved the primary to June - it was originally going to be the beginning of next month.

Unless other states do the same thing, that means by the time I vote the nominee will probably be pretty presumptive.
 
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Not only is Mark Kelly leading Martha McSally by double digits in AZ, there's more good news for Democrats:

President Trump has not been irrational on one topic: He really does not want to run against former vice president Joe Biden. Even in a state Trump won in 2016, Arizona, he is in serious trouble if Biden is his opponent.
The OH Predictive Insights Arizona poll shows “Biden leading President Donald Trump in a head-to-head matchup by 6 points. However, the same poll shows Trump beating Sen. Bernie Sanders by 7 points.” Here is the critical point: “The reason for this performance gap between Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden is that less than three-quarters of the respondents who said they would vote for Biden in a head to head match up with Donald Trump also said they would vote for Sanders if he were to be the nominee.” (Emphasis added.)

Likewise, the Univision/Arizona State University poll shows Biden’s favorable/unfavorable rating (48 percent to 41 percent) far rosier than Trump’s (46 percent to 54 percent). Biden beats Trump by eight percentage points in a head-to-head match-up, while Sanders leads by five points. By a 63 percent to 16 percent margin, voters are less likely to vote for someone identified as a socialist. (56 percent to 24 percent if a “democratic socialist”). Against Sanders, Biden leads by a huge margin of 51 percent to 34 percent.
These figures undermine the notion that the only way to beat Trump is through capturing or recapturing white male voters in the Upper Midwest. With numbers like these from Arizona, a road through the Sun Belt or South (e.g., Texas, Florida, Georgia) could very well put Biden over 270 electoral votes.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/13/arizona-no-wonder-trump-doesnt-want-face-biden/