2020 Democratic Primary

[Brenda Archer]

You're right, I can't argue with that. I do think it still matters, but not because CNN debates are important, in and of themselves.

I think this is another example of the DNC 'putting their thumb on the scales', as one of my more traditional, party line towing democrat friends so nicely puts it.

This is important, because I don't think the Biden supporters actually support Biden. They aren't that stupid, they know he's a disaster. I think Biden supporters actually support the political machine behind Biden. That's the only reason the unfair debates matter to me. If you want to convince people to stop supporting Biden, attacking Biden himself is not the way to do it, because everybody does that. It's pedantic to point out his flaws at this point. The only thing that might change Biden supporters minds, IMHO, is showing them that the political machine behind Biden is corrupt.

It always was. We still have to vote blue in the general, since politics-as-usual is still infinitely better than fascism.

I don’t think some people understand what fascism is yet, or have a proportionate fear of it.

Or, they secretly believe they can survive it and aren’t really Left at all.

 

[bubblesort]

It always was. We still have to vote blue in the general, since politics-as-usual is still infinitely better than fascism.

I don’t think some people understand what fascism is yet, or have a proportionate fear of it.

Or, they secretly believe they can survive it and aren’t really Left at all.

Speak for yourself. I don't scare so easy. I'll vote Trump over Biden any day.

I mean... unless there is some way Biden is better than Trump. I don't think I've seen anybody make that argument, though. The only argument I've seen in Biden's favor is hysteria from "vote blue no matter who!" crazy people, who are basically the democratic equivalent of MAGA hat wearers. They function on fear. I don't. If you want my vote, you need a credible plan for me to get behind. If Bernie loses the primary (it's nowhere near over yet!), then I look forward to letting Trump and Biden both try to earn my vote.

 

[Essence Lumin]

The country is about to crash and burn. Very shortly. I will be happy if you can quote me in two months proving me wrong.

 

[Pamela]

The country is about to crash and burn. Very shortly. I will be happy if you can quote me in two months proving me wrong.

Oh, it is. Not just the country but the world.

 

[Brenda Archer]

Speak for yourself. I don't scare so easy. I'll vote Trump over Biden any day.

I mean... unless there is some way Biden is better than Trump. I don't think I've seen anybody make that argument, though. The only argument I've seen in Biden's favor is hysteria from "vote blue no matter who!" crazy people, who are basically the democratic equivalent of MAGA hat wearers. They function on fear. I don't. If you want my vote, you need a credible plan for me to get behind. If Bernie loses the primary (it's nowhere near over yet!), then I look forward to letting Trump and Biden both try to earn my vote.

Welp, now that you’ve outed yourself as a potential Trump voter, I’m sorry to say I don’t find you trustworthy.

You seem to think you’re a consumer picking brands in a store and you can punish the brand you don’t like by boycotting it.

That’s not how this works.

If Republican fascism is tolerable to you, you’re coming from immense privilege.

I can’t trust you.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Speak for yourself. I don't scare so easy. I'll vote Trump over Biden any day.

I'll take Things That Will Get You Kicked In The Face By A DACA Recipient for $200, Alex.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

Welp, now that you’ve outed yourself as a potential Trump voter, I’m sorry to say I don’t find you trustworthy.

You seem to think you’re a consumer picking brands in a store and you can punish the brand you don’t like by boycotting it.

That’s not how this works.

If Republican fascism is tolerable to you, you’re coming from immense privilege.

I can’t trust you.

He already outed himself weeks upon weeks ago. I've been saying that for days in this thread as he already did in one of the others, which was addressed there, as well. Despite one other member claiming she didn't see it even though she responded to it there, she, and no doubt far too many other Bernie supporters,still consider him an ally.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

Whenever I see the words These Types it raises a red flag to me.

You know what raises a big flag for me? Someone engaging in absolute crazy conspiracy theories, similar to the one you posed that should "Biden lose his mind" the DNC would force HRC as the candidate.

What the ever loving fuck? That is fucking nuts..and far too many Bernie supporters engage in this behavior. Is it a type? Yes. It is a type of Bernie supporter.

 

[bubblesort]

So... all I see is some emotional responses, but no arguments of substance in favor of Biden, even over Trump. If all you have is name calling... well, Hillary already tried that, and the Trump supporters responded by plastering, "deplorable" on t shirts. And then they won.

If you can't craft any kind of argument for the guy, he really has no hope in the general. He is simply unelectable.

I hope Bernie wins.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

So... all I see is some emotional responses, but no arguments of substance in favor of Biden, even over Trump. If all you have is name calling... well, Hillary already tried that, and the Trump supporters responded by plastering, "deplorable" on t shirts. And then they won.

If you can't craft any kind of argument for the guy, he really has no hope in the general. He is simply unelectable.

I hope Bernie wins.

Why don't you fuck right back off to Trumpland where you clearly wish to be.People have been crafting their reasons that they are choosing to vote for Biden over Bernie. I'd say your boy Bernie is the one that might be unelectable considering that he's not winning the primaries, for the second time, so far.

As for substance? You don't have it. You claim to support one person for their values, proposed policy, etc...yet you would vote for another person who is an absolute anathema to that.

You are a joke.

 

[Clara D.]

TRUMP 4 LYFE!

So, I take it Biden won't put enough immigrants in cages for your liking?

Or do you just hate poor people having medical coverage?

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

So, I take it Biden won't put enough immigrants in cages for your liking?

Shout out to Kurds, dude.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Ooh, ooh, and banking regulations! What good have those ever done anyway?

 

[Brenda Archer]

So... all I see is some emotional responses, but no arguments of substance in favor of Biden, even over Trump. If all you have is name calling... well, Hillary already tried that, and the Trump supporters responded by plastering, "deplorable" on t shirts. And then they won.

If you can't craft any kind of argument for the guy, he really has no hope in the general. He is simply unelectable.

I hope Bernie wins.

So many emotional wimmins and their emotional responses.

It couldn’t be something like the Republicans nominating a federal judge who thinks homosexuality should be criminalized again.

 

[Aeon Jiminy]

I honestly wonder how some of Sanders' supporters (and, of course, some of Biden's too) expect other candidates' supporters to feel about working alongside them later in the year, after some of the things they're saying about each other now.

Save your venom for your real opposition.

Your question feels a little loaded.

From my perspective, I don't really see the real problem being how Sanders' supporters are going to make other supporters more comfortable in letting them in the circle to vote for Joe Biden. Rejection from establishment was something Sanders supporters dealt with years ago. I think "working together" will resemble trying to get a cat to swallow a pill. It's not impossible.

If by some freak chance that this system falls apart and Sanders becomes the candidate, then there's work to be done. There's personal re-evaluation, education, and compromise. There's also Blue No Matter Who and Trump.

The most important question is : What are the candidates going to do to make someone else's supporters their own? This whole thing could transition amicably if it is placed under proper leadership. The primary has been very clear in highlighting what the vast majority of policy concerns are for the voters. Come armed with some solutions. Come armed with one solution beyond getting rid of the other guy. Good behavior and walking single file is not really the problems we're facing in this country and it's not really the solution.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

And that Iran deal, who needed it anyway, amirite?

 

[Eunoli]

So... all I see is some emotional responses, but no arguments of substance in favor of Biden, even over Trump. If all you have is name calling... well, Hillary already tried that, and the Trump supporters responded by plastering, "deplorable" on t shirts. And then they won.

If you can't craft any kind of argument for the guy, he really has no hope in the general. He is simply unelectable.

I hope Bernie wins.

1) Biden won't put children in cages.
2) Biden won't try to butcher the environment and hurry us down the path to climate change catastrophe.
3) Biden won't monetize the office for his own good.
4) Biden won't go golfing in the middle of national crises.
5) Biden won't put his children into critical jobs even though they can't pass security screenings. His son might be a jackass - but he won't be in government.
6) Biden will put professionals in charge of the departments they oversee.
7) Biden won't govern by twitter.
8) People working in a Biden administration won't be obligated to say how grateful they are to be working for him (and not the United States of America) every time they are on camera.
9) Biden is liked by the international community.
10) Biden will handle emergencies in the same way no matter what state they happen in.
11) Biden has already released his tax returns.
12) Biden will bore us (we really need to not be in a constant state of panic or outrage).
13) Biden won't try to encourage defunct, environment killing industries like coal. He won't take away tribal lands to do so.
14) Biden won't hire 'acting' officials in place of real ones.
15) Biden isn't a pussy-grabbing asshole.

 

[Essence Lumin]

You know what raises a big flag for me? Someone engaging in absolute crazy conspiracy theories, similar to the one you posed that should "Biden lose his mind" the DNC would force HRC as the candidate.

What the ever loving fuck? That is fucking nuts..and far too many Bernie supporters engage in this behavior. Is it a type? Yes. It is a type of Bernie supporter.

The world is beginning to burn now so I'll remind you there are 10 types of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

1) Biden won't put children in cages.
2) Biden won't try to butcher the environment and hurry us down the path to climate change catastrophe.
3) Biden won't monetize the office for his own good.
4) Biden won't go golfing in the middle of national crises.
5) Biden won't put his children into critical jobs even though they can't pass security screenings. His son might be a jackass - but he won't be in government.
6) Biden will put professionals in charge of the departments they oversee.
7) Biden won't govern by twitter.
8) People working in a Biden administration won't be obligated to say how grateful they are to be working for him (and not the United States of America) every time they are on camera.
9) Biden is liked by the international community.
10) Biden will handle emergencies in the same way no matter what state they happen in.
11) Biden has already released his tax returns.
12) Biden will bore us (we really need to not be in a constant state of panic or outrage).
13) Biden won't try to encourage defunct, environment killing industries like coal. He won't take away tribal lands to do so.
14) Biden won't hire 'acting' officials in place of real ones.
15) Biden isn't a pussy-grabbing asshole.

You are wasting your breath. Dakota posted a similar list. Many, many others have posted similarly.

 

[Jolene Benoir]

The world is beginning to burn now so I'll remind you there are 10 types of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

Okay.