Gachas Are A Fucking Scourge

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I want what I want when I want it and I don't want what I don't want. That means Gacha is Satan, not Satin and we want Satin not Satan. Hail Satin!
 

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Late stage capitalism, in pog form!!!

Now it would be even better to make you buy a funny money with your already funny money just to buy the gacha!!!!

YOU MUST BUY IN CHUNKS OF 10,000FUNNY MONEYS, NO EXCEPTIONZ!!!!

NO REFUNDS, NON TRANSFERABLE, WILL EXPIRE IN 30 DAYS!!!
 

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gachas where the whole outfit is separated... whats the point if the chest piece/main body is rare? do you not want people wearing it?
I was thinking about this myself, earlier. I have a number of those outfits due to their quality and togetherness, and as a side benefit, exclusivity. Rare is the time I'll run into someone in the same outfit. nb: I see gacha in MP, search the item collection name plus 'set', if the price is right, Buy.

YOU MUST BUY IN CHUNKS OF 10,000FUNNY MONEYS, NO EXCEPTIONZ!!!!

NO REFUNDS, NON TRANSFERABLE, WILL EXPIRE IN 30 DAYS!!!
Gad, now that's some cancer right there.
 
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I would really like to hear from SL merchants regarding income from gacha vs just selling items. But based on my experience running a gaming place for a couple of years, skill games, gambling, whatever you want to call it are extremely popular among a subset of people. They enjoy the excitement and they play over and over again. Gacha provides the same thrill. I therefore suspect that selling via the gacha format is VASTLY more profitable -- but I would love to see evidence to back up or refute my hypothesis.

Anybody can make a new item and sell it. It’s hard to create buzz around new release items, unless they are in an event. Hence the popularity of events in general, but making those events gacha amps up interest even more. Gacha creates artificial scarcity and that’s going to make people buy things even if they are not sure they actually want them.

Nothing in SL is a "need" per se, but most gacha items are cute rather than useful. For example, if you’re like me you can’t help but want the adorable little animals in many of the machines, but how many of them from two or three years ago do you have out on your land? They're collectibles to buy just to have them, and chances are you'll forget about them a few weeks later. This category of shopping didn't really exist before gacha, because there was no "collect them all" concept -- except with breedables, which are also highly profitable and also gambling-adjacent. Are you seeing a pattern here? People love taking chances on things, and at least with gacha you always get something for your money.

I very rarely play gacha machines, in fact I chose to stop playing them because I found I was spending large amounts of money compared to what I would have otherwise. I now only play at charity events and if I want anything else I find it on the marketplace. I can’t stand the machines that make you collect pieces of an outfit, and then sometimes they’re not even for the body type you have etc. I wouldn’t say they are a scourge, however, because they are probably the main thing keeping the SL economy going. They seem like one of the only ways to make significant real life income from SL these days, especially for someone who is newer to the platform.

When LL nerfed skill gaming it hurt the economy and put the gaming income that remains in the hands of only a few people, who mostly cash it out. That reduced the contributions of people with smaller game places who wanted to also be part of the community, who gave some of their earnings back through hiring musicians and DJs, running RP sims, shopping etc. If gacha went away I think the consequences would be even more severe at this point. I understand hating on gacha, but as far as banning it, be careful what you wish for because SL is a shrinking platform and longtime merchants are already tired of LL wrecking every viable business model available to us. Many would just throw in the towel and that is not good for the future viability of SL.
 

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I understand hating on gacha, but as far as banning it, be careful what you wish for because SL is a shrinking platform and longtime merchants are already tired of LL wrecking every viable business model available to us. Many would just throw in the towel and that is not good for the future viability of SL.
If we need predatory business models to keep them around - well, ...good riddance!
 

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Nothing in SL is a "need" per se, but most gacha items are cute rather than useful. For example, if you’re like me you can’t help but want the adorable little animals in many of the machines, but how many of them from two or three years ago do you have out on your land? They're collectibles to buy just to have them, and chances are you'll forget about them a few weeks later. This category of shopping didn't really exist before gacha, because there was no "collect them all" concept -- except with breedables, which are also highly profitable and also gambling-adjacent. Are you seeing a pattern here? People love taking chances on things, and at least with gacha you always get something for your money.
A copy mod collection of the whole set available on the side helps those of us that want to USE the items for decor, photography or changes of scene at home and for those that just like the thrill of buying one or 2 items and seeing what they get they can use the Gacha machine as intended. There would still be a secondary market and i for one would buy more than i currently do AND the merchants would therefore earn more than they currently do as the secondary market wouldn't be as big and they'd get all the original purchase money.

I see no value in buying matching goods designed for a scene with a building as the rare in a Gacha format. Gacha only works for me when the items are all equivalent and therefore the thrill is what colourway you'll receive.
 
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There is nothing inherently predatory about gachas. They are effectively gumball machines. Are there merchants who show predatory behaviors? Possibly, but again, no one -needs- anything in SL, so that's debatable. As for the question about whether they are vastly more profitable? My data says otherwise. If people do wander into my shop, some will toss a few lindens into a gacha, but others just buy what they want. I suppose if I swapped my gacha scripts over to caspervend, I might find this isn't quite the case, but also, since I don't tend to do the full sets thing...

Also, I will swap a gacha item for a copy version; especially with decor items. Doesn't even matter who won it originally.
 

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I think unless you are part of a big gacha event like the arcade (which I am not, so I don't have any hard facts about their revenues), gacha sales are just moderately more profitable than 'normal sales' - especially since an attractive gacha requires a lot of work. Recolours are easily done, but they don't sell as good as sets of different, matching items (I only offer items which can be used separately, too). Another downside is: as designer you can only sell them inworld and not on the marketplace. I only make gachas when they are wanted/required at specific events, and usually the rules of these events don't allow fatpack sales. It is true that some people put a lot of money into the machines, but from my experience most of these people will resell their doubles.
 
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I'd like to weigh in here and agree with the OP:

Gachas Are A Fucking Scourge
 

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Yeah I don’t think they are predatory. I support legalization of regulated gambling in real life, but even if you don't, most of the risks of gambling are absent with gacha. If you lose gambling or skill gaming, you leave with nothing. With gacha you always get something and you can choose to keep it, trade it, sell it etc. Unlike in video games, you don't need gacha "loot" to advance in SL. Playing gacha is completely optional.

To me the scourge-y aspects are practical issues -- especially the way gacha items have taken over the Marketplace and it’s hard to search for other stuff without them showing up. There should be a filter for whether you want to see them or not. I also get frustrated with items that are pretty but not functional. I run an amusement park and there have been tons of carnival, circus etc. themed gacha collections I've looked at and/or bought. Some of them are great (yay Culprit!) but others are just for looks and aren’t actually useful. For example, if a merchant is going to make a carnival ride, it should operate, otherwise it’s just a waste of everybody’s time and money.

It seems like just about everybody is bothered with the selling pieces of an outfit thing, but unless people stop buying from those machines the merchants won’t learn their lesson.
 
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