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Once again the fucking New York Times has to correct something about Hillary. What a shock.
Yep. Just a day and a half after they buried the story about how they bungled her emails waaaaaaay below the fold. They didn’t even take a fucking breath.
 

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You know, there is audio. If she was talking solely about Republicans, why did she wait and let the New York Times do this when everyone was reporting it as Russia doing it? And the way it's constructed it arguably accuses her of being a Russian asset. When she speaks of Jill Stein, she uses the phrase "also a Russian asset," when doing her cowardly shade, indicating that she thought the first one was.

Around 34 minutes: Campaign HQ with David Plouffe - Hillary Clinton
 
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This thread never didn't find a way to turn shit around on anyone in the Democratic party who isn't Bernie or Tulsi - like..literally almost never. Though, I must admit my pride that no one ever has much bad to say about Michael Bennett - but that's likely because he's so far down in the polls, still.
 
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LMAO. Are you suggesting it’s controversial that Jill Stein is a useful idiot of Russia?
 
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“...why did she let the New York Times do this...” is possibly the most hilarious thing I’ve ever read.
 

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LMAO. Are you suggesting it’s controversial that Jill Stein is a useful idiot of Russia?
I'm suggesting that in our democracy, we've always had third parties even though the system didn't lend itself to letting them win. The fact that they exist doesn't guarantee that anyone will lose. Votes have to be earned. No one is entitled to those votes. There are plenty of Green party people who would never vote Democratic because of the way the Democrats treat them. It's baked into the system, it doesn't make them Russian assets. And considering the decades of derangement that some people really do have about Hillary Clinton, why is it out of the realm of possibility that people still would not vote her regardless? She's not entitled to those votes.
 
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The fact that she’s a third party candidate doesn’t make her a useful idiot of Russia. The fact that she is a useful idiot of Putin is what makes her one. But do keep stomping those feet and learning nothing from 2016.
 
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Ahhh so you’re dug into full blown fruit loop CDS. Good to know.
 

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Ahhh so you’re dug into full blown fruit loop CDS. Good to know.
No, that's one connection too many you made in your mind. But I do believe in things called facts and evidence, and there isn't any here about Tulsi Gabbard or Jill Stein.
 
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McCarthyism. LMAO.

Sure. Let’s talk facts...

Jill Stein went to Russia to trash the human rights history of the US while ignoring the human rights atrocities of Russia. Putin loves Americans that do this shit. She ignored the advice (and pleading) of the Green Party in Russia and activists in Russia to not give Putin this kind of propaganda gift and did it anyway.

She was the benefactor of a massive Russian propaganda effort.

She solicited donations for a recount effort but used the money to pay her own legal bills while being under investigation for Russia’s ratfuckery in our elections.

Also, because I’m petty, she was a pandering twat and fed into the harmful rhetoric around vaccination truthers because she couldn’t lose the loony left vote.

She’s a failed musician and attention whore with zero ethical credibility.

If Clinton hate didn’t pay the bills at every media outlet in America, she’d have been cast off as the fraud she is long ago.

But, sure, it’s McCarthyism to call her out as a useful idiot of Russia and general trash. ‘K
 

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This whole thread is making my head hurt. On one side, you've got someone who doesn't have a ghost of a chance of getting the nomination, and on the other, someone who isn't even running! Couldn't our energy be better spent on sussing out who has the best chance of not only beating Trump, but also unfucking everything he's touched and getting this country moving forward again?

I need an aspirin.
 

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We’re never going to able to move forward by ignoring the Russian and GOP ratfucking of our elections. It’s like ignoring a breach in the hull and saying “let’s just sail through it.” Too many people are incapable of accepting reality because they hate HRC more than they care about the integrity of elections. The GOP and Russia know this and our irresponsible fourth estate enables it.

No one has a chance of beating the GOP until we focus on repairing and securing our election processes. That’s the reality.
 

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In a world where a failed game show host becomes the white nationalist poster child of the GOP, the pay-attention-to-me-at-all-costs narcissistic nature of political grifters like Stein and their creative attempts and failures is, unfortunately, relevant.
 

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We’re never going to able to move forward by ignoring the Russian and GOP ratfucking of our elections. It’s like ignoring a breach in the hull and saying “let’s just sail through it.” Too many people are incapable of accepting reality because they hate HRC more than they care about the integrity of elections. The GOP and Russia know this and our irresponsible fourth estate enables it.

No one has a chance of beating the GOP we focus on repairing and securing our election processes. That’s the reality.
I care more about the reason why Reality Winner is in jail, for disclosing that there was an actual breach in our election systems. That's the kind of interference I am more concerned about. Memes and shit on Facebook, not so much. I care more about officials throwing people off the voter rolls, closing polling locations, and all the other stuff that the GOP have gotten away with. As for the psyops, we do it to everybody else. And even worse, we do far worse to other people. Ask Honduras.
 
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1. Reality is in jail because she didn’t use official whistleblower channels and she trusted an outlet that didn’t care about protecting their sources. This isn’t a mystery. It’s just unfortunate.

2. Purging voter rolls, shameless gerrymandering, and general ratfuckery is exactly the sort of thing only Dems are focusing on. While grifters grift.

3. Diminishing massive efforts by a hostile foreign nation down to “Memes and shit on Facebook” and engaging in whataboutism to excuse Putin while orgs like the NRA funnel cash into GOP coffers makes it clear what narratives you’re invested in.
 

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We’re never going to able to move forward by ignoring the Russian and GOP ratfucking of our elections. It’s like ignoring a breach in the hull and saying “let’s just sail through it.” Too many people are incapable of accepting reality because they hate HRC more than they care about the integrity of elections. The GOP and Russia know this and our irresponsible fourth estate enables it.

No one has a chance of beating the GOP until we focus on repairing and securing our election processes. That’s the reality.
That's a very good point, and definitely something that needs to be addressed. The biggest avenue the Russians have to our election processes is through the GOP, but I would not be surprised if there were sympathizers in other places.

I don't hate Hillary. She would have made an infinitely better president than Trump, warts and all. I'm just not sure she has the Democrats' best interests at heart. As for her statements about Gabbard, I really don't know if she's right or wrong, but a lot of things I've been reading about Gabbard haven't exactly been positive. But who's to say if those are right, or are more examples of Russian interference...

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The biggest avenue the Russians have to our election processes is through the GOP, but I would not be surprised if there were sympathizers in other places.
It’s the safest possible bet that Putin never puts all his eggs in one basket.

I don't hate Hillary. She would have made an infinitely better president than Trump, warts and all. I'm just not sure she has the Democrats' best interests at heart.
For all her many faults, Hillary is extremely loyal and she’s spent her life’s work building up the Dem party. Whether her actions are ultimately deemed harmful or helpful, I have zero reason to doubt her intentions. Especially now when she has zero fucks to give.

As for her statements about Gabbard, I really don't know if she's right or wrong, but a lot of things I've been reading about Gabbard haven't exactly been positive. But who's to say if those are right, or are more examples of Russian interference...
Tulsi isn’t really a Dem. She runs as a Dem because you cannot get elected as anything else in Hawaii. She’s part of the Greenwald grifting set that the GOP loves to elevate because they love anyone that says Dems are bad. She’s outrage porn. Whether she’s a true believer or not is irrelevant to me so I don’t waste time trying to suss out her intentions. The speed with which she ditched her own presser in Iowa to go play footsie with Tucker tells me all I need to know about her priorities.
 
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