Yay! Robert Mueller Has Submitted His Report

[Lianne Marten]

Many criminal statutes that apply to white collar crime require proof of intent which is incredibly hard to prove absent an explicit statement from the defendant. It's baked into the statutes. Probably because rich people wrote them.

James Comey (ugh) talked about this. And then took the wrong conclusion from it, but that's because he's a hack shithead.

Former FBI Director James Comey explains why it's so hard to prosecute white-collar criminals, as 2020 Democrats slam 'two systems of justice'

"It's frustrating to me, but I can't imagine the country being any different," Comey said.

www.cnbc.com

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

Many criminal statutes that apply to white collar crime require proof of intent which is incredibly hard to prove absent an explicit statement from the defendant. It's baked into the statutes. Probably because rich people wrote them.

I partly agree. There are two reasons I don't completely agree. One of them is that rich people are also more likely to get away with non white collar crimes. See the Stanford Swimmer. Second, I think there is a good reasons why some white collar crimes require intent. For example, I have never felt more than 80% confident that I filed my taxes correctly. It's not just because rich people wrote the laws that affect them. Human beings in general, including the rich , have an easier time understanding violent or petty crimes.

EDIT: I mean to say it was hard to convict the Stanford swimmer and he got off easy. Of course he didn't fully get away Scott free.

 

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[Katheryne Helendale]

I am right on the verge of unfriending my entire high school graduating class on Facebook because most of them are rabid Trump supporters who are now hooting and hollering about how Trump is completely innocent and how Democrats wasted tens of millions of dollars on this witch hunt, etc. etc. etc. There's only so much blind stupidity I can handle in one sitting.

 

[Lianne Marten]

No money was wasted, the investigation made money due to the funds seized from Paul Manafort.

 

[Katheryne Helendale]

No money was wasted, the investigation made money due to the funds seized from Paul Manafort.

I know this. You know this. Most reasonably sane people know this. But your average Trumpster just can't be bothered with such inconvenient facts.

 

[Lianne Marten]

Sure, but it's the most easily refuted of those stupid-ass comments. Doesn't require nuance like those other ones.

I'm altering the definition of nuance to mean basic common sense, observational skills, and reading comprehension.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Also, stands to reason that the people who paid for the thing should be able to see what they paid for. They must support the release of the full report or clearly, they don't believe in government transparency.

 

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The Mueller Report Is an Impeachment Referral

Mueller explicitly rejected the argument of Trump’s lawyers that a president could not be guilty of obstruction of justice for the conduct in question: “The protection of the criminal justice system from corrupt acts by any person—including the President—accords with the fundamental principle of our government that ‘[n]o [person] in this country is so high that he is above the law.’”

But if Mueller believes a president could be held to account after he leaves office, he also spelled out another concern with alleging a crime against a sitting president: the risk that it would preempt “constitutional processes for addressing presidential misconduct.”

The constitutional process for addressing presidential misconduct is impeachment.

OK, let's do this thing...

 

[Kara Spengler]

I am right on the verge of unfriending my entire high school graduating class on Facebook because most of them are rabid Trump supporters who are now hooting and hollering about how Trump is completely innocent and how Democrats wasted tens of millions of dollars on this witch hunt, etc. etc. etc. There's only so much blind stupidity I can handle in one sitting.

Just think how your class will react once the redactions come out. Which they will, it is just a question of what ongoing thing will get there first.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

 

[Innula Zenovka]

What a difference three or four weeks can make

 

[Victorianna Writer]

Someone is pissed now... According to his Tweet it is now a he said he said....sadly*----v
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*I couldn't get the tweets from twitter to paste on here to show u guys grrrr. <----------------<

 

[GoblinCampFollower]

So Trumpists who learned a bit about the report have switched gears from exoneration to attacking the people who made the report. Quite a few on twitter are behind and still think the report exonerates him and it's over.

 

[Victorianna Writer]

What a difference three or four weeks can make

Thank you! That's what I was trying to upload lol but I couldn't for some reason. Probably done differently in here compared to the norm.

 

[Cristalle]

See? Mueller was a coward. You have Trump actively obstructing and still he wouldn't make a stronger statement about obstruction. Trump's exclamations reveal that he knew he wanted to disrupt and eliminate the Russia probe. It does not matter if there was no underlying crime.

 

[Ava Glasgow]

The President of the United States of America used the phrase "total bullshit" in a public statement. He sounds like a stupid teenager complaining about his mom finding his pot while cleaning his bedroom.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Thank you! That's what I was trying to upload lol but I couldn't for some reason. Probably done differently in here compared to the norm.

The trick, when you've reached the tweet by clicking on a link somewhere else is to copy-paste the url and then find the first question mark in it. Delete the question mark and everything to its right and then that should leave you with a link that embeds the tweet here (the question mark signifies to twitter where the link that you clicked brought you from, I think, but clearly this forum software doesn't understand it).

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

I read the WP on my tablet last night and it did a good job of confirming my suspicions as well as explaining why my intuition was right.

1: The reason for no recommendation for indictment is either because he* did nothing wrong, or because you cannot indict a sitting President.
2: If he'd done nothing wrong, Mueller's report would have flat out said so. Even Barr didn't say he did nothing wrong, he just did a spin job so that people would assume he did nothing wrong.
3: Its pretty freaking obvious he did a lot wrong, and Mueller did not say he did nothing wrong.
4: The only thing that Mueller could do is lay it all out, and let Congress make the next move, because with a sitting President, only Congress has the power to do anything.

However, on the state level, I don't know that -that- all applies.

*He meaning Twitler.