Sanders Warns That Israel Is Interfering In Michigan Senate Race

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And the countries political situation comes last, I recon?
It has to be all about Bernie once again.
Almost 85, nuff said.
I think you're assuming Sanders has a lot more influence on this issue than is realistic. He didn't create this divide, and he's not a major figure in deepening the issue. He's just one of many voices. This issue isn't going away even if Sanders is completely silent (and I see no reason he should be silent).

Israel and AIPAC are creating the divide.
 

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I think you're assuming Sanders has a lot more influence on this issue than is realistic. He didn't create this divide, and he's not a major figure in deepening the issue. He's just one of many voices. This issue isn't going away even if Sanders is completely silent (and I see no reason he should be silent).

Israel and AIPAC are creating the divide.
100% correct. The democrat voters violently split over Israel/Palestine at the grassroots level. This was largely in response to what was going on. Elected politicians are actually a bit behind.
 

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100% correct. The democrat voters violently split over Israel/Palestine at the grassroots level. This was largely in response to what was going on. Elected politicians are actually a bit behind.
While I see it's a very contentious issue, to what extent is the candidate's position on US support for Israel likely to influence their vote in November?

I'm trying to imagine someone who would otherwise vote Democrat risk, because they disagreed with the Democratic candidate's view on this one issue, losing this senate seat to the Republicans.
 

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While I see it's a very contentious issue, to what extent is the candidate's position on US support for Israel likely to influence their vote in November?

I'm trying to imagine someone who would otherwise vote Democrat risk, because they disagreed with the Democratic candidate's view on this one issue, losing this senate seat to the Republicans.
Hard to say honestlt, given that the country as a whole veered right into anti Palestine fascism instead of maybe anti palestine semi normality last election.

Do not underestimate how many are prioritising some "rapture prophecy" nonsense about Jews and their homeland over all else.
 

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While I see it's a very contentious issue, to what extent is the candidate's position on US support for Israel likely to influence their vote in November?

I'm trying to imagine someone who would otherwise vote Democrat risk, because they disagreed with the Democratic candidate's view on this one issue, losing this senate seat to the Republicans.
This is a good question, and I don't think I can give a very concise, easy answer that isn't potentially very controversial! It is complicated.

The really short answer is that many people on the far left see the democrat party as essentially the same as the GOP so voting is totally pointless. This just solidifies that for them. I know it might be hard to understand that view point as a more rational person but think of it this way... If you want a full communist revolution, why would you accept a few baby steps from the dems as an improvement?

I will obviously vote democrat because the GOP is less favorable to my views on literally every issue. Just saying there is a small, but not totally trivial number of voters who totally scoff at any idea of "nuance."
 

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We lost an entire PRESIDENCY in this way.
It's a bit different in the UK, where everything is at the constituency level and, at least at the moment, we're in a multi-party system. Certainly Labour has lost both votes and seats because of its stance on Israel, Gaza and Palestine, but in general that's primarily an issue only when the main challenger to Labour is either a pro-Palestine independent or the Greens. When there's a risk of the Conservatives or (more likely) Reform getting in because of a split on the left, people have tended to vote tactically for whoever looks most likely to keep them out.
 
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