The US-Iran War Has Begun

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It took an election to remove Carter. Will we be getting the same chance?
 

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It took an election to remove Carter. Will we be getting the same chance?
 

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Interesting an Iranian news channel "claims," rather than reports. Anyways, the U.S. has confirmed the...news.

US F-15E jet confirmed shot down over Iran as Tehran releases wreckage images
Gee, didn't Trump just address the nation and boldly claim that we destroyed all their missile sites? I mean, he wouldn't have lied about our progress in Iran, would he have? :kittyball:
 

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It took an election to remove Carter. Will we be getting the same chance?
What?

No. Its too dangerous to have an election while we are WINNING so many wars. Those will get delayed.
 
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Gee, didn't Trump just address the nation and boldly claim that we destroyed all their missile sites? I mean, he wouldn't have lied about our progress in Iran, would he have? :kittyball:
Don't you worry your pretty little head about this. He fired all the bad top brass who .....uhhh ......................ummm ...............they did something bad. Very, very bad. The worst. And that's why .....well, you see .... oh, look, some new outrage!
 

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There are reports that a U.S. Black Hawk helicopter was shot down during rescue operations to recover the pilot from the F-15 taken down earlier.

 

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I was reading an article just now about Trump's speech earlier this week, in which he apparently said

Never in the history of warfare has an enemy suffered such clear and devastating large-scale losses in a matter of weeks.
I'm not sure what metric he's using other than he wished it to be so, but it occurs to me that Joseph Goebbels might, quite accurately, have said pretty much the same thing a few weeks into Operation Barbarossa, during the initial stages of which the Soviet resistance pretty much collapsed.

That's not, of course, how it all ended.
 
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So far today an F-15 and an A-10 were shot down over Iran. The UH-60 rescue helicopter reported on earlier was damaged but made it back safely to friendly territory in Iraq.
 

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Never in the history of warfare has an enemy suffered such clear and devastating large-scale losses in a matter of weeks.
"But, in all fairness, Iran also took some damage."
 

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So far today an F-15 and an A-10 were shot down over Iran. The UH-60 rescue helicopter reported on earlier was damaged but made it back safely to friendly territory in Iraq.
I never thought I'd see "friendly" and "Iraq" in the same sentence. But, I guess "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and all that.

I had heard about two more aircraft being shot, including the Black Hawk, but I'm having trouble finding much news about them.
 

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So far today an F-15 and an A-10 were shot down over Iran. The UH-60 rescue helicopter reported on earlier was damaged but made it back safely to friendly territory in Iraq.
An A-10? Isn't that that terrifyingly ugly Warthog thing that is supposed to take out the taker-outters with poop-yer-pants firepower so over-the-top that it makes Thor consider ordering Viagra?

We must have a set of tactics that protects those things ... right?

This "winning" stuff sure feels a lot like losing.
 
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An A-10? Isn't that that terrifyingly ugly Warthog thing that is supposed to take out the taker-outters with poop-yer-pants firepower so over-the-top that it makes Thor consider ordering Viagra?

We must have a set of tactics that protects those things ... right?
Yup.

More specifically, the A-10 was shot down over the Strait of Hormuz by Iranian fire, and the pilot ejected and landed In Kuwait. The F-15 was shot down over Iran proper, and its pilot was rescued but as far as I know there's not been any word about whether the second crewman, the weapons officer, was found or recovered. The helicopter that was damaged was part of the rescue operation that searched for the F-15 crew.

I saw for a while a rumor that a third jet was shot down, but nothing came of that. There was a picture of some wreckage that was supposedly of that third jet but the wreckage was way too small to be any kind of jet, it was probably a missile or something.
 
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I never thought I'd see "friendly" and "Iraq" in the same sentence. But, I guess "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and all that. [...]


Trump is all about nostalgia for the 80s.
 
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I don't know how widely reported it is in the US, but in Europe, and certainly in the UK, one of the main concerns about Trump's war on Iran is that it's an illegal war of aggression and that the US is publicly threatening actions that are clearly war crimes as defined by the various Geneva Conventions (in particularly, orders to give no quarter, and bombing civilian targets and infrastructure primarily in order to destroy civilian morale).