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Been a really weird few days.

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Great for a TV, but I'm talking about my PC monitor, which is definitely within arm's reach.

My brain does seem to have a functional "NO! TOO EXPENSIVE!" circuit preventing me from doing too much damage... but I'm not exactly sure what dollar value it's set for.

I know from past experience, (er, experiences), that "Inkjet printer" is definitely -below- it.
 

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Great for a TV, but I'm talking about my PC monitor, which is definitely within arm's reach.

My brain does seem to have a functional "NO! TOO EXPENSIVE!" circuit preventing me from doing too much damage... but I'm not exactly sure what dollar value it's set for.

I know from past experience, (er, experiences), that "Inkjet printer" is definitely -below- it.
CD rom trays can't withstand karate punches; ask me how I know.

Meaning that I can relate to what you're saying!
 

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Years ago a nurse friend was working in ICU. Hospital administration -- i.e. The Antichrist -- attempted to force rapid conversion to a newfangled computer system. It was networked individual PC's. Said system accomplished the not-so-great outcome of constantly delaying drugs for patients in the ICU. (These were early days and, among other problems, the system was buggy as hell and the user interface was clearly designed by someone who had never seen the inside of an ICU, much less worked there.)

Turns out that if you sandwich the CPU between defibrillator paddles, shout "clear", and push the button it clears up your computer problem right away.
 

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It's not THAT bad. We've had much, MUCH bigger shit shows here... It just meandered a bit. I'll take meandering over a big flame war....
Flame wars can be fun to watch and toss a log or two on.

While it may not have exactly been a flame war, you weren't here (SLU) for a certain Luna-tic or a certain Bigfoot fan. We might not all admit it, but it was kind of fun.
 

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I seriously doubt the Chinese government would ever be interested in selling TikTok (or anything) to a very strong odor related to animal glands.
Tesla have a gigafactory in Shanghai which, very unusually, is wholly owned by the company rather than operated as a joint venture, and it sells about a third of its cars there. To my mind, the Chinese government would regard him as an ideal buyer for TicTok, since they have such leverage over him.
 
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Tesla have a gigafactory in Shanghai which, very unusually, is wholly owned by the company rather than operated as a joint venture, and it sells about a third of its cars there. To my mind, the Chinese government would regard him as an ideal buyer for TicTok, since they have such leverage over him.
Tesla wasn't created by the Chinese. TikTok was (unless I am mistaken).
 
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Tesla wasn't created by the Chinese. TikTok was (unless I am mistaken).
Yes, but if they have to sell TikTok, then someone whose personal fortune is so dependent on the goodwill of the Chinese government probably seems a pretty attractive buyer.
 
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Yes, but if they have to sell TikTok, then someone whose personal fortune is so dependent on the goodwill of the Chinese government probably seems a pretty attractive buyer.
If he is that dependent on the goodwill of the Chinese government, something is very wrong with how he conducts his business. Kind of makes him a lot like the Dumpster fire as his wealth isn't actually his. Meaning he isn't, in truth, the richest man in the world.

Curious. What makes you think they would ever have to sell TikTok? I didn't think they were that opposed to taking the loss and just shutting it down if necessary.
 
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If he is that dependent on the goodwill of the Chinese government, something is very wrong with how he conducts his business. Kind of makes him a lot like the Dumpster fire as his wealth isn't actually his. Meaning he isn't, in truth, the richest man in the world.

Curious. What makes you think they would ever have to sell TikTok? I didn't think they were that opposed to taking the loss and just shutting it down if necessary.
US law, upheld by the recent Supreme Court judgment, says they have to. Trump has given them a stay of execution, supposedly to find a buyer/set up a joint venture between the US government and a private buyer.

Given the choice between shutting it down completely and carrying on with 50% of the business owned by someone whose business success depends to a great extent on their continuing goodwill and the other 50% by a government whose president he has bought, which do you thing the Chinese government is likely to prefer?
 

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US law, upheld by the recent Supreme Court judgment, says they have to. Trump has given them a stay of execution, supposedly to find a buyer/set up a joint venture between the US government and a private buyer.

Given the choice between shutting it down completely and carrying on with 50% of the business owned by someone whose business success depends to a great extent on their continuing goodwill and the other 50% by a government whose president he has bought, which do you thing the Chinese government is likely to prefer?
How does the US enforce US laws in another country?



Generally, US judgments cannot be enforced in a foreign country without first being recognized by a court in that foreign country.
Google's AI says:

Yes, the People's Republic of China (PRC) generally allows the United States (US) to enforce US judgments in China. The PRC's Civil Procedure Law was amended in 2023 to provide clearer criteria for enforcing foreign judgments, including those from the US.

How are US judgments enforced in China?
  • Reciprocity
    China enforces US judgments under the principle of reciprocity. This means that China will only enforce a US judgment if the US enforces Chinese judgments in a similar way.

  • Federal vs. state judgments
    Chinese courts treat federal and state court judgments from the US equally for reciprocity purposes. However, federal court judgments are generally easier to enforce.

  • Case-by-case basis
    A Chinese court may decide not to enforce a US judgment if it finds that the judgment was obtained by fraud, the respondent was not properly represented, or the judgment violates China's public interests.
What are the requirements for enforcing a foreign judgment in China?

  • The judgment must be accompanied by a duplicate of the judgment or certification of the judgment-rendering court.
  • The judgment must have been served on the parties according to the law of the place where the judgment is rendered.
  • The judgment must have come into effect.


My what a tangled web they have woven.

I would have to answer with a question. Could operating at 50% be considered a "violation of China's public interests"? Seems to me it would.

Does anyone have any idea how much income TikTok brings in for China? I haven't got a clue and I'm still catching up on the thread.
 

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Louisiana and Mississippi
I can attest to these two having lived in both. In Lousyana for more than 40 years and MS for nearly 10. I've also lived in Austin, Elko NV, Muncie IN, Ava MO, and a few others. LA and MS almost always fall in the lowest 5.