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We'll have to go back to sending letters to each other. Physical hand written (yes, hand written) letters. Nothing electronic.
My mom wrote letters to her parents. Here is one from 1946 where she writes about cleaning big rectifiers.

 
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We'll have to go back to sending letters to each other. Physical hand written (yes, hand written) letters. Nothing electronic.
/Me looks around and says.... E-mail.
Don't forget IRC.
/Me raises cane at the kids on my lawn
 
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/Me looks around and says.... E-mail.
Don't forget IRC.
/Me raises cane at the kids on my lawn
Perhaps encrypted email, but I think it is a pretty safe bet that the NSA has backdoors to a lot of cryptography systems. One history I read said they exerted considerable pressure on Whitfield-Diffie et. al. to build a backdoor into the first PKC system for them, and I assume that has continued. I know Apple has the rep of being "uncrackable", but the NSA wouldn't tip that they have that backdoor, too, to help some local police force bust a drug dealer. It was the same deal when we cracked Enigma -- we pretty much had to hold off using the intel we got until having the Nazis know that we were reading their mail was less valuable than the strategic value of that intel.
 

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Checks in.

Yep, the cesspit of cognitive bias is still a cesspit of cognitive bias.

I only logged in cause I stumbled upon an better video that aids in explaining my point, although this one isn't attempting to prove anything about cognitive bias. Instead, it simply argues that when politics are present, most people become too stupid to do math or think in an objective manner. He mostly talks about math and how people look at data. It becomes interesting when you stop saying the data is about skin cream and is instead about gun control and then watch as people try to make the numbers align with there preconceived views. Both sides are equally scrutinized and shown to exhibit the same levels of stupidity in a very objective way devoid of his own personal bias.

 

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The dude at 8:30 or so with the glasses seemed to have the better idea. What are the sources.

Its a neat study, but it seems like it has one major flaw, no one knows anything about skin cream, or cares about skin cream, and rashes getting better or worse, is pretty inconsequential.

A lot of people care about gun control or no gun control, and there are essentially country level statistics that show gun control reduces crime, so being shown some random chart suggesting otherwise, is very dodgy, political affiliations aside.

Plus, there are severe consequences to guns existing.
 

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The dude at 8:30 or so with the glasses seemed to have the better idea. What are the sources.
That's the bias. He attempts a pragmatic approach despite being told that the numbers aren't even real.
Its a neat study, but it seems like it has one major flaw, no one knows anything about skin cream, or cares about skin cream, and rashes getting better or worse, is pretty inconsequential.
Skin cream is the control group factor of the experiment. Nobody cares or has any preconceived cognitive bias towards using or not using skin cream and therefore attempts to examine the numbers in a rational manner.
A lot of people care about gun control or no gun control, and there are essentially country level statistics that show gun control reduces crime, so being shown some random chart suggesting otherwise, is very dodgy, political affiliations aside.
They are still being told that the numbers aren't real or representative of anything real. It's a hypothetical experiment. It's interesting because if the numbers don't coincide with their political point of view, a lot of them get upset or begin making political affirmations and continue to ignore that the question being poised to them is a hypothetical one. I think the reason he went with gun control is because it is a relevant issue in America, but it isn't as intrinsically linked to personal identity as some other politically sensitive issues are.
Plus, there are severe consequences to guns existing.
Yep, lots of them. Thanks for watching it and being nice in your response. =]
 
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Skin cream is the control group factor of the experiment. Nobody cares or has any preconceived cognitive bias towards using or not using skin cream and therefore attempts to examine the numbers in a rational manner.
The other difference is, its entirely plausible that a skin cream would not work, or cause more problems. It doesn't matter if the numbers are fake or hypothetical, either case presented, makes a plausible case.

When those same numbers are presented as gun control results, they don't work, because in the case of gun control, having gun control, does not increase crime. The numbers only make sense when presented one way.

There isn't really any demonstration of political bias here, because the numbers only make sense in one direction, ever, when it comes to gun control.

The only real interesting part of the video is how bad people are with proportional math. FWIW, the thumbnail onscures some of the numbers, but seeing the full data set, it was immidiately obvious what they were going for there. My thought process was along the lines of, "The bottom set looks worse but about 25 is 1/4th of about 100, and 75 times 4 is 300, which the big number is not even close to, the bottom set is better.
 
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People grab onto the most compelling part of an argument that supports their bias anyways, with or without numbers. Like the whole mask / vaccine mandate thing.

"Not 100% effective! Therefore it's -wrong- to require them!"

Traffic lights aren't 100% effective either. Should we stop requiring people to obey them?
 

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People grab onto the most compelling part of an argument that supports their bias anyways, with or without numbers. Like the whole mask / vaccine mandate thing.

"Not 100% effective! Therefore it's -wrong- to require them!"

Traffic lights aren't 100% effective either. Should we stop requiring people to obey them?
Murder laws ...

Well, you see where I'm going.
 
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People grab onto the most compelling part of an argument that supports their bias anyways, with or without numbers. Like the whole mask / vaccine mandate thing.

"Not 100% effective! Therefore it's -wrong- to require them!"

Traffic lights aren't 100% effective either. Should we stop requiring people to obey them?
That mask thing was so weird and annoying.

Like right, cloth masks are not perfect. But Inam also doing my best to completely avoid everyone else in the store by 10+ feet, including skipping busy aisles and coming back tonthat later.

You know whats really not perfect, and 100% ineffective? Not wearing anything!