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Hubman who is far more knowledgable than I says the courts have invalidated such laws. Plus the Ds are planning to do a virtual roll call before the election.
No court has, so far as I am aware, invalidated reasonable ballot deadlines. I would welcome citations.
 
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I'd be very, very surprised if they didn't already have contingency plans -including advertisement campaigns and astro-turf campaigns waiting in the pipeline to use against Harris. These people are evil, not stupid.
 

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Oh, I'm sure they'll cook up something for Kamala involving race, gender and misogyny. But they'll be dusting off old tropes from years past. This is the chance for the Dems to repackage the whole campaign around Kamala and throw Trump off balance.

Sidenote: Harris is an accomplished debater. Trump won't frazzle her.
Calling it now: Trump will say she wasn't born in America and will demand to see her birth certificate.
 

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I'd be very, very surprised if they didn't already have contingency plans -including advertisement campaigns and astro-turf campaigns waiting in the pipeline to use against Harris. These people are evil, not stupid.
Wanting to win isn't evil in and of itself. We can discuss many other reasons why they may be evil. But, that ain't one of them.
 

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Wanting to win isn't evil in and of itself. We can discuss many other reasons why they may be evil. But, that ain't one of them.
And Hitler loved his mother -I'm sure.
They are willing to use evil ends (harassment, violence) to win though that isn't what I'm saying or even talking about.

My point was to not underestimate them. They are not stupid, they have a long term agenda, complete with contingency plans and the means to achieve it.

THAT is my primary point.
 

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The misogyny blew my mind in 2016. I thought since we managed to vote a black man into office, that we, as a country, were ready for a woman. Boy was I blindsided. I am terrified we are not over our rampant misogyny. Trump and his choice of running mate is proof that misogyny is still alive and well in the U.S.

I worry that if we manage to get past the misogyny and racism, we will be stuck with a Bush v. Gore situation in all the battleground states because we waited too close to the ballot cut off. Trump loves to take shit to court. Kamala needs pick her VP, and to be announced as the Dem Presidential pick come Monday.

I also believe it should absolutely go to Kamala. To pass her over would be another slap in the face of voters who put her and Biden on the ticket. Josh Shapiro could get us PA, and Whitmer might get us MI. As much as I love two women on the ticket, I wonder if Josh might be the best choice strategically?
 
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I can't help thinking of the 2023 budget negotiations. Biden was under pressure from multiple fronts to give the House Republicans a way to save face and renegotiate the initial deal. Instead he stood firm, managed to keep the party in line, and got the Republicans to neuter two of their best strategists and fundraisers. Biden gets shit done.

But hey, he's old.
 

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The misogyny blew my mind in 2016. I thought since we managed to vote a black man into office, that we, as a country, were ready for a woman. Boy was I blindsided. I am terrified we are not over our rampant misogyny. Trump and his choice of running mate is proof that misogyny is still alive and well in the U.S.

I worry that if we manage to get past the misogyny and racism, we will be stuck with a Bush v. Gore situation in all the battleground states because we waited too close to the ballot cut off. Trump loves to take shit to court. Kamala needs pick her VP, and to be announced as the Dem Presidential pick come Monday.

I also believe it should absolutely go to Kamala. To pass her over would be another slap in the face of voters who put her and Biden on the ticket. Josh Shapiro could get us PA, and Whitmer might get us MI. As much as I love two women on the ticket, I wonder if Josh might be the best choice strategically?
Historically Democrats have done better with young "exciting" tickets rather than playing it safe. I think Hilary was kind of an oddity in that not only was sexism an issue, but her long, high profile presence in politics made her feel more like an inevitability, rather than the exciting candidate she should have been. I'm cautiously optimistic that this will be a good election to go for the exciting ticket. That said, Josh might be the best strategic decision, I agree.
 

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I feel like most if not all of the misogynists who fled to Trump's side in 2016 have stayed there, and were still there in 2020 when Biden won. At this point they're just Trump voters now and I don't think we have to worry about alienating them.

Kamala Harris is hitting the ground running, from the sound of it. Who else still wants a Madame President? Let's goooo!
 

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Now that Biden has stepped down for the good of the country, there's no excuse for Andrea Mitchell to stay on the job. Waiting for you to step down, Andrea....
 
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No court has, so far as I am aware, invalidated reasonable ballot deadlines. I would welcome citations.
For everyone interested, Ohio did not change the law recently. The ballot deadline is and for some time has been 90 days before an election. They have made exceptions for when a party choses to hold a late convention, as the Democrats did this year. But they are not required to, and I am not aware of any court case that has held that a 90 day deadline is unconstitutional. If anyone has one, please share.
 
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That does not prevent drawn out legal battles. There is not a problem NOW. The longer the process takes the more of a problem there is. A Harris nomination would be the simplest solution if formalized quickly.
 

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UGH. I can't see this as anything but a strategic -failure-. It's tactical, reactionary... necessary? Sure, fine, whatever, but there should have been contingencies planned, prepped and enacted LONG BEFORE we got to this point.

This whole term, Harris should have been out there, in the news, an active part of the Biden administration, sharing in the wins, linking her name with doing her part in this administration and developing a record of her own, to shore up her side of the ticket. She needed to look more presidential considering that many of us are very aware that Biden's deterioration may force him to step down if he gets re-elected or 25th'd out of his current term.

But instead, I guess out of fear of her getting publicly "Hillaried", they went the quiet route, keeping her irrelevant and out of the limelight. A "no news is good news" default position which comes across cowardly, weak and entirely defensive.

Maybe Joe gave them marching orders, demanded singular/solitary party focus on him and his presidential record. Someone should have been able to get the point across that that just isn't enough.

Whoever's responsible... should go. If Harris doesn't win this election, those 'DNC strategists' should be sacked and blacklisted. The way things have been handled makes me think they may actually be infiltrators sabotaging our party.

There's too many think tanks, too much money and media ownership on the other side. We can't afford to play defensively, they'll overwhelm us with an endless barrage of petty lies and barbaric populism. We've got to hammer the point that the republicans have abdicated their platform priorities.
  • WE'RE the law and order party... they're the party of tyrannical police brutality.
  • WE'RE moral/ethical/christ-like party... they're the party of false prophets, greed and selfish adultery.
  • WE'RE the guard against the Russian Threat... and they've allied with and become the Red Menace.
  • WE'RE for accountabiliity. Liberty and justice for all... they're for putting their wealthy white conservatives above the law and minorities in jail.
  • WE'RE for FREEDOM... they're against worker's, women's and LGBTQ rights.
  • WE'RE the new Big Tent Party... they're the party of white hoods.
  • WE'RE the party of respect, manners and civility... they're crass, classless, loud, rude, unmannered thugs.
  • WE'RE for Education... they're for stupid and dangerously dishonest conspiracy theories.
  • WE'RE for strong foreign policy to keep the U.S. an economic power... they're for tariffs, isolationism and passively letting the EU, China and Russia control the political climate around the world.
But we can't get that message out because the so-called "liberal bias" in media is an effing myth. Local papers, local news are bought and paid for by conservative interests like the Sinclair group and local oligarchs out to influence public policy for their own benefit.
 

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Oof. Biden standing down is a sad end, but it kind of had to happen. Would have been SO much better if he had honored his 2019 promise to serve one term. He's actually accomplished a dang lot more than most people think, and he should be proud of that. I'll make another post with an article.
Anyway, what next, Kamala or someone else?
From my understanding, running Kamala would make things much easier from a campaign finance standpoint. But, the funds can be used in other ways, and that's not the most pressing issue right now. Finding someone to win is. The other point in her favor is that black women will be very disappointed if she's off the ticket. But, they had her as VP for 4 years, and they also have a SCOTUS justice for decades probably. That's big!
Four BIG problems with Kamala:
- Coronating her from "on high" will leave a very big stench. A full primary season isn't possible, but there needs to be some kind of input from the masses, and Democratic leadership needs to figure out how to do that VERY quickly.
- She is generally disliked and/or perceived to be an idiot by a whole lot of people. I haven't listened to her enough to comment much on how fair that is. But clearly it's an issue.
- She has prosecuted pro-life groups as California AG. That is going to make convincing Christians to vote for her a VERY tough sell.
- Will Americans vote for a black woman for President? That shouldn't be an issue, but unfortunately, it is.
She _might_ be able to beat Trump, but there's not much more confidence of that than Biden beating him.
IMHO there are five people Dems should be looking at:
Top tier - Gov Gretchen Whitmer and Sen Mark Kelly. I believe that ticket, in either order, would absolutely hand Trump's rear to him.
Second tier, and still excellent: Gov Shapiro (PA), Gov Cooper (NC), Gov Beshear (KY).
A ticket with any two of those five should be able to win handily.
Unfortunately also, Newsom is still in the conversation. Don't do it -- he'll lose. A California elite is not a winning ticket this year.
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- She has prosecuted pro-life groups as California AG. That is going to make convincing Christians to vote for her a VERY tough sell.
Assuming that simply being a pro-life group isn't in itself illegal in California (and I rather doubt it is), for what did she prosecute them that Christians think she shouldn't have?
 

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I think we are polarized on reproductive health to the point where that would be more of a bonus than a problem. Dominionist/Evangelical Christians who are the backbone of the "pro life" movement are already in the bag for Trump.

eta: All I could find was about a search of the apartment of David Daleiden who made illegal recordings of private conversations with Planned Parenthood officers and misleadingly edited them to appear as if the group were selling human tissue.
 
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And Hitler loved his mother -I'm sure.
They are willing to use evil ends (harassment, violence) to win though that isn't what I'm saying or even talking about.

My point was to not underestimate them. They are not stupid, they have a long term agenda, complete with contingency plans and the means to achieve it.

THAT is my primary point.
Who exactly are you talking about?

Trump and the Republican Party?