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Almost anything Trump says, has said, is eminently lol-worthy.
At least, they would be, if every word that came out of that orange blob's mouth wasn't slurped up as gospel by more than a third of our population.
 

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This article is getting ripped in the comments and it's their own fault. I really, REALLY wish more Journalists were aware of how clickbait titles can backfire. The actual article is good and interesting, but of course repugs don't read articles, they make snap judgements based on the titles.

Honestly, if your title is useful to white supremist than your whole article might as well be because most of them can only read a few sentences at a time.


The tweet may have been deleted so here is the article:


Basically, it's correctly saying white supremacists have an unhealthy preoccupation with hyper masculinity and the male body, BUT it was presented in a way that was easy to misconstrue as saying "fitness makes you racist."
 
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Someone very close to me works for Nautilus. Let's just say the last couple of years things have been steadily going downhill.
 
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I'm not a libertarian anymore and haven't been for many years, but the movement has changed a lot and not for the better... I feel like there is a rapidly growing gap between the philosophy and the right wing nut jobs who are filling it. the LP of NH seems to be especially nasty. The movement always attracted some people who were more contrarian than libertarian but I think it got a lot worse while Obama was in office. The "tea party" movement filled up with people who just thought libertarian meant SUPER right wing.

You have to be a very delusional, rich white asshole to think taxes are as bad as slavery...

 

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I'm not a libertarian anymore and haven't been for many years, but the movement has changed a lot and not for the better... I feel like there is a rapidly growing gap between the philosophy and the right wing nut jobs who are filling it. the LP of NH seems to be especially nasty. The movement always attracted some people who were more contrarian than libertarian but I think it got a lot worse while Obama was in office. The "tea party" movement filled up with people who just thought libertarian meant SUPER right wing.

You have to be a very delusional, rich white asshole to think taxes are as bad as slavery...


I found an article from 1992 by the libertarian economist Murray Rothbard called Right Wing Populism.” It was written shortly after Klansman and neo-Nazi David Duke had lost his late 1991 run for governor. Duke lost in a landslide to lovable Cajun crook Edwin Edwards, but he won a majority of the white vote. Rothbard saw in Duke’s failed candidacy a potential strategy for the right. What he wrote seemed eerily prescient to me:

The reality of the current system is that it constitutes an unholy alliance of "corporate liberal" Big Business and media elites, who, through big government, have privileged and caused to rise up a parasitic Underclass, who, among them all, are looting and oppressing the bulk of the middle and working classes in America. Therefore, the proper strategy of libertarians and paleos is a strategy of "right-wing populism," that is: to expose and denounce this unholy alliance, and to call for getting this preppie-underclass-liberal media alliance off the backs of the rest of us: the middle and working classes.
What would the program for the middle and “working” class? Basically a familiar suite of hard right positions: slashing taxes, gutting the welfare state, attacking affirmative action and “the civil rights structure.” Rothbard might be nominally a libertarian but he wrote: “Cops must be unleashed, and allowed to administer instant punishment.” This would include not just a war on crime but on homelessness: “….unleash the cops to clear the streets of bums and vagrants. Where will they go? Who cares?” While he didn’t exactly call for protectionism, he also called for an “America First” economy: “Come home America. Stop supporting bums abroad. Stop all foreign aid, which is aid to banksters and their bonds and their export industries. Stop gloabaloney, and let's solve our problems at home.” Also, included was an attack on public schools and a call for parental control.
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Interesting read and interesting writer. I read a couple more pieces of his including these:



On the subject of libertarianism, I still think the actual philosophy is sharply distinct from fascism, but in practice gets connected because of the personality types of the people who are attracted to it. Strong contrarian personality types get attracted to the libertarian idea of "My life my rules, live and let live." But in practice this mentality often degenerates into "...wait, I only want freedom for people like me!" which takes them down the path of fascism.

I suspect people who genuinely believe OTHER people, and not just themselves, should have freedom eventually convert to leftism because free markets don't work like they should in theory... That has been my experience with the best and brightest that I met in that movement at least.

I also wanted to add that the libertarian movement was always kind of divided between who was more socially liberal vs who was more fiscally conservative. Trump was abhorrent to the former but often loved by the ladder; and seemed to speed up the inevitable split in the movement. The more left leaning libertarians seem to eventually become democrats and the more right leaning libertarians seem to eventually stop pretending to give a shit about civil liberties...

Gay rights has also been a very divisive issue among libertarians. The party has had legalizing gay marriage in the platform since the 1970's, but once again, there is a big division between the more left and more right leaning libertarians. I was always on the side of "let people do what they want" but many of the more contrarian libertarians seemed to turn against the gay community once gay rights became mainstream.
 
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