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Aribeth Zelin

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You mean like they tried to rob basic accounts by reducing the number of groups allowed from 42 to 15 so that Premium accounts could have more than the 60 they already do have? I wouldn't put it past them to do that and more. It's like they have been deliberately trying to push those of us who are low income out for more than 10 years.
Yup, exactly. That's why I said, what with Sine Space and other virtual worlds, they really need to take a step back and really look at it. They have name recognition and all, but that's not going to be enough, I don't think.

And if it comes down to having to take my SL business accounts premium or paying more than 10 l an upload [for textures], the increasing temptation to swap to there, and make things for free, and have a small space for free, or larger spaces for a fraction of what a sim costs in SL, well... the only reason I haven't already is because its not been worth it.... but it might not be worth it to stay if they drop the ball.
 
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Yup, exactly. That's why I said, what with Sine Space and other virtual worlds, they really need to take a step back and really look at it. They have name recognition and all, but that's not going to be enough, I don't think.

And if it comes down to having to take my SL business accounts premium or paying more than 10 l an upload [for textures], the increasing temptation to swap to there, and make things for free, and have a small space for free, or larger spaces for a fraction of what a sim costs in SL, well... the only reason I haven't already is because its not been worth it.... but it might not be worth it to stay if they drop the ball.
If that happens there's a good chance you'll see me there.
 
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"Default mesh" and "one size fits all" bodies are profoundly undesirable. They'd take money out of the pockets of hardworking creators and choice out of the hands of consumers. Just because some people can't be bothered to look at a few Youtubes before they make their avatar doesn't mean those of us who love that aspect of play should be penalized.

Ugh.
 

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Life is about adapting and moving on. Even SL, IMHO.

With Bellisseria LL gave all busy in the house rentals a hard time.
By introducing sculpties and later meshes LL gave all the inworld builders a hard time.
And yes, standard body systems and a new clothing systems would give couturiers some extra work to adapt to the new situation.
But that is no excuse to not improve things.

The guys who shoved the coals into the steam engines had to adapt as well when the old steam engines were replaced by diesel locomotives at the railways and diesel engines in factories.
 

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I don't know about a full on Premium Plus, but I wish you could pay for more prims on an existing parcel.

Like I don't need more land, I just want 2x prim allowance on my Linden Home
 

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It would not be an "improvement" if I were shoved in the same mesh body as the woman who wears the Kupra Kups.
I guess it all depends on what sliders the new standard bodies will have.
No need to use the old ones any further if LL ever makes standard bodies.
 

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I don't know about a full on Premium Plus, but I wish you could pay for more prims on an existing parcel.

Like I don't need more land, I just want 2x prim allowance on my Linden Home
I think that would kill the usability of the Belli sims completely because of a gigantic lag festival.
Even now the rez times are way too long in a lot of sims. Land size and prims (LI) are a married couple in SL. Less LI is of course no problem, but more ....
 

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"Default mesh" and "one size fits all" bodies are profoundly undesirable. They'd take money out of the pockets of hardworking creators and choice out of the hands of consumers. Just because some people can't be bothered to look at a few Youtubes before they make their avatar doesn't mean those of us who love that aspect of play should be penalized.

Ugh.
One, SL isn't here to let a small select group become millionaires because its look like crap or have a mesh body [I'm exaggerating ]
Two, so basically, people who can't afford to buy lindens, and have no real way of making that many lindens, get to be stuck?
Three, LL had no problems breaking SS [which affected creators and their livelihoods], Sculptmap fashions, etc. I came back in 09 to my original account [I'd finally gotten around to calling LL and getting it fixed], half or more of my inventory was completely broken - I still have it.
Four, A new default body would not by default make ANY ONE ELSE have to USE the new body.
Five, just like in the real world, 'We can't get rid of using gas or coal, because what about the jobs', changes happen, its just the nature of things.

And Six? Did you even play back before mesh bodies? I can make 12+ different looking characters with just the outdated SL tools. A new default body would, oh, I don't know, give MORE options for your aspect you love so much, in theory be more efficiently made, and not slow down SL because of insane levels of polys.


ETA: Also, we're talking about retention and making plus attractive. To my mind, they are linked.
If I were to go into a new game, I wouldn't want to spend money until I saw that I liked the game. So, if I look like someone from 2004 in SL, and the only way to have a pretty avatar is to spend 10-20 real dollars? I'd just leave again, and without new players, there goes the new blood - and eventually SL will just go away and the existing player base drifts away.
 
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Can't they refine the current selection of free avatars? They're a lot better than they used to be, but they could do better, and surely they could do it without "one size fits all".
 

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"One size fits all" as I mentioned it would mean that the clothes fit around whatever shape you have.
At the moment a lot of shape is blended away to get stuff to fit. I think it should be the other way around.
 

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Wasn't that fitmesh? IIRC it had its limits, though. But now with bento and all the new attachment points, worth revisiting.
 
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I bet premium plus will have something to do with NFTs. Remember, a payment company owns LL now. Those idiots love stupid crap like that, LOL.

I don't think LL would be able to get people to use a standard avatar now, even if they wanted to. I think the best way to fix the problems that a standard avatar would fix would be to introduce better in world content creation tools, so we can all mod and build meah in world. To do that right, they would be replicating half of blender in world, and I doubt they have the human capital for that, but that's the only real solution to the weird body oligopoly problem.
 
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I bet premium plus will have something to do with NFTs. Remember, a payment company owns LL now. Those idiots love stupid crap like that, LOL.

I don't think LL would be able to get people to use a standard avatar now, even if they wanted to. I think the best way to fix the problems that a standard avatar would fix would be to introduce better in world content creation tools, so we can all mod and build meah in world. To do that right, they would be replicating half of blender in world, and I doubt they have the human capital for that, but that's the only real solution to the weird body oligopoly problem.
If it were a -good- mesh standard body, with full material support, etc? Sure - be a nice starter, until folks got around to deciding they wanted something different.

Oh! Also, if they introduced a proper materials system inline with industry standards - that might be a good idea too.

But yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if NFTs are involved.
 

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Will NFTs be a draw for that many people to pay more? If it had to have NFTS, that's a big nope from me, unless the land and stipend were really really worth it.
 

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Will NFTs be a draw for that many people to pay more? If it had to have NFTS, that's a big nope from me, unless the land and stipend were really really worth it.
It might be you need premium plus to sell NFTs?


Seriously, for that it might be worth it for me - if someone wants to give me a ton of money to get to have a replica of something I made to mark an imaginary space? Okay.
 

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The 'Premium Plus' thing. Ima reposting this from an old post one of the other me's put on the 'other forum'

At one price point have a Premium membership that has Stipend & Tier.
At the same price point Premium membership has Larger stipend & no Tier.
Call it a Shoppers package, something catchy. This would appeal to people that want the more groups, more event access, but would just wanna rent land from another resident. Might be worth looking at since Lab gets the money upfront and doesn't have to fiddle with processing the transactions on as many incremental Linden Dollar Purchases.

Could do additional packages based on larger weekly stipends, something like that.

And I buried this lede earlier... Can make some Pricey Premium type accounts, with or without included tier, but the benefit there is lower per transaction fees, or expedited payouts.

Is just the 'trick' is make it easier for peoples to find a 'price package' & sign up for auto pay.
 
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I just had a stroke of genius:
Premium Plus members are added to the official SL FIC group and get a golden name tag above their head.
Only USD 99,95 for a year. Automatically recursing of course. Nobody wants to give up their FIC status right?
Balloting might be part of the memberships acceptance procedure.

Twice a year a strictly themed FIC Night Of The Proms on an exclusive secret location in SL where one can chat and dance with the Linden bosses and their Minion Lindens. Only an additional USD 89,95 extra for each night, on top of the Premium Plus fees of course. Beverages and taxi to the location included.
Only a limited number of tickets available. The last 50 of them will be sold of at an auction.

Ordinary premium members may watch from neighboring sims for only USD 19,95 surcharge on their premium membership.

For only an extra USD 225,95 there will be the option to purchase an At Whim Package. That package gives you the right to suspend 25 basic members of your choice for a maximum of 3 days at whim. If you need to suspend more basic accounts a new package can be obtained.
 
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I just had a stroke of genius:
Premium Plus members are added to the official FIC group and get a golden name tag over their head.
Only USD 99,95 for a year. Automatically recursing of course. Nobody wants to give up their FIC status right?
Balloting might be part of the memberships acceptance procedure.
I'd be willing to pay a little extra to be part of an official FIC group just to flaunt it in front of You Know Who the next time I see him in-world. Strangely he has appeared at events in Bellisseria.

Twice a year a strictly themed FIC Night Of The Proms on an exclusive secret location in SL where one can chat and dance with the Linden bosses and their Minion Lindens. Only an additional USD 89,95 extra for each night, on top of the Premium Plus fees of course. Beverages and taxi to the location included.

Ordinary premium members may watch from neighboring sims for only USD 19,95 surcharge on their premium membership.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
But I've already chatted and danced with Linden Bosses and their Minion Lindens and Moles.

For Premium Plus to attract me, well it would have to include more group slots. a LOT more group slots. My Queendom for more group slots (narrator: CC does not have a Queendom). Higher stipend wouldn't attract me unless it was a better deal than just hitting the Buy L$ button like I normally do. Tier....maybe 2048 or more would be enough to maybe start my own Lesbian Venue. A cozy dyke bar with watered beer, an ice cube fan, a green chair, a jukebox, a u-haul trailer out front, a friendly dog, snails, a pool table, a dock in back and NO Meeroos! I forgot about having lesbian pulp novel covers on the walls. And I know the perfect person to build it and run it for me so I wouldn't have to do any work! All I'd have to do is sit on my barstool, be pretty and greet people.
 
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I just had a stroke of genius:
Premium Plus members are added to the official SL FIC group and get a golden name tag above their head.
Only USD 99,95 for a year. Automatically recursing of course. Nobody wants to give up their FIC status right?
Balloting might be part of the memberships acceptance procedure.

Twice a year a strictly themed FIC Night Of The Proms on an exclusive secret location in SL where one can chat and dance with the Linden bosses and their Minion Lindens. Only an additional USD 89,95 extra for each night, on top of the Premium Plus fees of course. Beverages and taxi to the location included.
Only a limited number of tickets available. The last 50 of them will be sold of at an auction.

Ordinary premium members may watch from neighboring sims for only USD 19,95 surcharge on their premium membership.

For only an extra USD 225,95 there will be the option to purchase an At Whim Package. That package gives you the right to suspend 25 basic members of your choice for a maximum of 3 days at whim. If you need to suspend more basic accounts a new package can be obtained.
If the Lindens had even a single lick of sense, Sid's phone would be ringing right now.