The Catholic Church Should Burn

[Romana]

More of them, too, if you're looking at organised denominations, I think,

We've had the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse running in the UK since 2015.

IICSA Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse

The Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA), led by Prof. Alexis Jay, is investigating the extent to which institutions in England and Wales failed to protect children from sexual abuse.

www.iicsa.org.uk

This is their latest report, published last month

Millions of children in religious groups in England and Wales vulnerable to abuse

IICSA report finds victim blaming, abuse of power and mistrust of authority to be commonplace

www.theguardian.com

Evernote link

Child protection in religious organisations and settings Investigation Report

A report of the Inquiry Panel Professor Alexis Jay OBE Professor Sir Malcolm Evans KCMG OBE Ivor Frank Drusilla Sharpling CBE

www.iicsa.org.uk

It's maybe different in the US, but I doubt it.

Is just that I thought that right -wing and/or white supremacist groups would latch onto stories about abuse thing on in any religion considered "not us" especially if it's people they deem subhuman.
They jump on the tiniest perceived misstep by those they hate politically.
It's tragic wherever it's happening.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Is just that I thought that right -wing and/or white supremacist groups would latch onto stories about abuse thing on in any religion considered "not us" especially if it's people they deem subhuman.
They jump on the tiniest perceived misstep by those they hate politically.
It's tragic wherever it's happening.

It's gone on, and people have always known it's gone on, in boarding schools, and church groups and children's homes, or at least in the UK they have. That "joke" of Milo Yanowhatshisname that got him into so much trouble? He stole that from the novelist Simon Raven about his days at Eton in the 1950s or 60s (I think that must have been the time) -- I remember hearing Raven tell it during a radio interview once.

Just as things have changed a lot over the last few years with BLM and MeToo, official awareness of, and attitudes to, child sexual abuse have changed massively over the last 30 or so years.

The big legal change here was the Sexual Offences Act 2003, before which Rupert Murdoch's Sun newspaper, always the scourge of paedophiles, had happily published topless photos of Samantha Fox the day she passed her 16th birthday, for the delectation of its mass market readership on the bus or tube into work, but the changes in attitudes that brought that about began in the 1980s, I think, or that's when the media suddenly became aware of the issue.

Then, of course, Jimmy Saville died in 2011, and in the aftermath of that, the Independent Inquiry was set up to, and it's now confirming what everyone always knew was going on, though possibly not the actual extent.

 

[Beebo Brink]

I've heard horror stories about the Ultra/Orthodox Jewish communities, and a quick Google search turned up dozens of links to articles detailing the sexual abuse.

Google Search

Ultra-Orthodox Shun Their Own for Reporting Child Sexual Abuse (Published 2012)

In confronting Jewish laws that forbid airing allegations against fellow Jews or turning them in to the police, families of ultra-Orthodox victims who have been molested face intimidation by their communities.

www.nytimes.com

Secrets and Lies, by Linda Stasi

Sexual abuse in the world of Orthodox Judaism

harpers.org

Sexual abuse cases in Brooklyn's Haredi community - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Ultra-Orthodox Community's Sex Abuse Crisis Has Finally Reached a Tipping Point

Thanks to a new law, one of the most secretive and isolated subcultures in the United States is facing possible exposure.

www.vice.com

 

[Innula Zenovka]

UK Haredi chief caught telling alleged victim not to tell police about abuse

Channel 4's hidden camera records Rabbi Ephraim Padwa advising accuser not to seek help from the authorities

www.timesofisrael.com

Rabbi urges alleged child abuse victim not to tell police - with video | Channel 4

Channel 4 Dispatches secretly filmed a senior rabbi telling an alleged victim of child sexual abuse not to go to the police - embeddable video available

www.channel4.com

 

[Beebo Brink]

People in authority (in our culture, overwhelmingly men) who are given special status and little supervision, almost inevitably abuse that authority. Because they can.

 

[Romana]

UK Haredi chief caught telling alleged victim not to tell police about abuse

Channel 4's hidden camera records Rabbi Ephraim Padwa advising accuser not to seek help from the authorities

www.timesofisrael.com

Rabbi urges alleged child abuse victim not to tell police - with video | Channel 4

Channel 4 Dispatches secretly filmed a senior rabbi telling an alleged victim of child sexual abuse not to go to the police - embeddable video available

www.channel4.com

OK, you've made your point. I never said Jews were above reproach (of course, the Haredi/Ultra Orthodox don't think of Reform as real Jews, so I'd be tempted to return the favor if I was religious).
I said the cases I'd seen in the news were almost always Catholic, and I wondered why there seemed to be more of those than all other faiths
/me backs quietly out off the thread and closes the door,

 

[Imnotgoing Sideways]

French Catholic church expresses ‘shame’ after report finds 330,000 children were abused

Church asks for forgiveness as it accepts findings of ‘appalling’ abuse by clergy and lay members over 70 years

www.theguardian.com

Evernote link

What would that add up to be? 1 kid for every 8 priests? ()

 

[Free]

What would that add up to be? 1 kid for every 8 priests? ()

Some of the priests get a lot of do-overs.

 

[Essence Lumin]

Some of the priests get a lot of do-overs.

The report made a “minimum estimate” of between 2,900 and 3,200 sexual abusers of children who operated in the French catholic church since 1950

So (216000/3000) = 70 kids per priest.

What would that add up to be? 1 kid for every 8 priests? ()

Who knows how many priests there were over that whole time period but there were 7000 priests in France in 2012.

 

[Beebo Brink]

Former Strongsville priest ‘violated the sacrament of confession’ to extort boys, federal prosecutors say in sentencing memo

A Catholic priest used the confessional to gain details from boys, information that he later used to extort them into providing him with sexually explicit photographs, federal prosecutors say.

www.cleveland.com

 

[Grandma Bates]

The horrors that occurred within the residential schools are still being revealed even after six years from when the truth and reconciliation commission published their final reports:

 

[Romana]

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

He can go f*ck himself with a pineapple - I'm so tired of the painful reminders that I -can't- have kids, don't have enough to afford to adopt [and well, be 55 this year, not exactly fair to a kid at this point], and don't have random people asking me to raise their kids, or any real contact with my neices and nephews [and twhat I do have is with adult ones with their own kids].

Meanwhile, my pets keep me sane. And if I did have kids, I'd still have pets.

 

[WolfEyes]

What is selfish is the way humans are destroying the environment pets were domesticated from, with food becoming more scarce, whole forests wiped out, hundreds of species going extinct daily (google it), and a human population that is growing and spreading so fast the environment can't compensate.

Conformists may kill civilizations - Nature

Lack of original ideas leaves societies vulnerable to environmental upheaval, model suggests.

www.nature.com

Over-hunting, deforestation and over-population are well-worn routes to societal collapse. Now, Hal Whitehead of Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada, and Pete Richerson of the University of California, Davis, have modelled how different learning strategies fare in different environments. They found that conformist social learning — imitating and emulating what the majority are doing — may also cause the demise of societies. When environments remain stable for long periods, behaviour can become disconnected from environmental demands, so that when change does come, the effects are catastrophic1.

 

[Arkady Arkright]

Wassup Popey ? Not enough new catholics being born to keep the vatican funded ?

 

[Sid]

Don't forget that the pope is catholic and as ultimate leader of the gang he has to defend the catholic values and traditions.
You can't expect him to say things like "Don't forget your joints and your condoms when you go to that all nude chicks orgy in Pattaya next weekend".
Worship, family and having (lots of) kids are key values in catholic live style.
Not my ideas, but that's how it is.

 

[Tirellia]

85 year old virgin tells people to have sex. Thanks, I think we can do without the advice.

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

So, after yet more thinking about it, the problem I have with religion is it always seems to be about old [white] dudes telling others to do the very things they aren't.

And if its not selfish to pursue a religious calling, then its not selfish to go 'I'd be a rubbish parent' and just not be a parent.

Then again, I blame the Church for my mom never even considering dating after my dad died - because you should also only get married to have children.

The real selfishness here is the Church telling anyone else what to do when they don't do it themselves. Or, you know, hypocrisy.

 

[Arkady Arkright]

85 year old virgin tells people to have sex. Thanks, I think we can do without the advice.

Have sex with your pets, that'll show him !!

 

[Sid]

So, after yet more thinking about it, the problem I have with religion is it always seems to be about old [white] dudes telling others to do the very things they aren't.

And if its not selfish to pursue a religious calling, then its not selfish to go 'I'd be a rubbish parent' and just not be a parent.

Then again, I blame the Church for my mom never even considering dating after my dad died - because you should also only get married to have children.

The real selfishness here is the Church telling anyone else what to do when they don't do it themselves. Or, you know, hypocrisy.

I normally don't do religion discussions in forums, but well, okay for once then:
Here is my take.

All churches are man made, not only the christian ones.
If there is a god or a godly power, it is a silent and undemanding one. Otherwise they would break in at every single TV station in the world if they had to say something or demand something. A power that created the world. an universe, could easily leave a message in the sky. If they wanted something from us, they would be visible and demanding, not talking trough a few ancient books and old clergyman. Not allowing different religions.

And because churches are man made, founded and evolved possibly as a search to find god, they became houses of power for their leaders. And because of the male dominance (certainly in the past) they have male leaders.
Churches abuse their positions over and over again trough history, with wars, oppression, exploitation, abuse, murder.
Thankfully most people in the western world are able in the current times to free themselves from the vessels of the churches. Not so much in the Muslim world.

By the way there is a christian church with a powerful old female white woman in charge: The church of England: Queen Elizabeth II.