Brexit.

[Veritable Quandry]

It's not hard to say what they speak. I've talked about it with them. The Amish and Mennonites came from southern Germany, northern Switzerland, and eastern France in the 18th century, and their dialect has evolved separately from European German since then.

 

[bubblesort]

The only time I actually hear genuine PA dutch is at the amish flea markets, which I haven't been to since the before times. They always speak english with me. Most of them also seem to speak spanish, because they hire a lot of immigrants from Mexico to work the farms, so there's all kinds of cultural interactions going on at their markets (the best tacos in Pennsylvania are sold at Amish markets). If I ever ran across one who didn't speak english, I'd probably try spanish, because I don't know any german or dutch at all.

What I do hear all the time, though, is the PA dutch accent. They treat vowels weird. Like, I would say, "I'm going over the mountain to park the car in the garage." They would say, "I'm goin o'er da moontin ta park da car in da garach." They skip the U in mountain and elongate the O, and make the CH at the end of garage sharp. They also say "red up", which means to get ready. You red up for church on Sunday.

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

It might be the Mennonites and Amish preserve the language best, but they aren't the whole of the Pennsylvanian Dutch people. I think I've one or two Amish ancestors [or Mennonite] but more likely to find all sorts of other protestant faiths in my family records [as I try and piece it all together].

Sorry, I'm rather proud of my heritage, even with finding the slave owning quaker in New Rotterdam, or the tangled mess of cousins marrying each other, or even the cross overs between paternal and maternal lines on my dad's side. Still, they made me who I am, warts and all [and my dad's dad's generation was a hot mess, let me tell you].

And to get back onto Brexit, I'm trying to figure out more about the Great Britain ancestors fit into all this, because I don't think my dad even knew about them... I sure didn't until recently.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

There certainly used to be, I think, a distinct rural non-Amish German community in Pennsylvania who continued to practice their traditional hex magic. I don't know if they're still going, but certainly they were a thing 50 years ago.

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

There certainly used to be, I think, a distinct rural non-Amish German community in Pennsylvania who continued to practice their traditional hex magic. I don't know if they're still going, but certainly they were a thing 50 years ago.

When I was a little girl, I had a traditonally painted dresser. I loved it so much.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Financial Times: Ursula von der Leyen feels the heat over vaccine exports hiccup

The bombshell in the EU’s new vaccine export controls that forced Ursula von der Leyen’s European Commission into a humiliating climbdown arrived almost without warning late on Friday.

The text, drafted by a tightly knit group comprising the president’s team and other senior officials was only circulated to commissioners via email 30 minutes before they were due to approve it, people with knowledge of the matter said.

“It’s doubtful that any commissioners read it in full or at all,” said one official.

Michel Barnier, the EU’s Brexit negotiator, was not informed. Irish PM Micheál Martin later said people had been “blindsided”.

Almost immediately after publication of the new rules to combat the vaccine supply squeeze in the European bloc, a fatal flaw became apparent.

The Commission had opted to trigger a carve-out from the Brexit treaty in order to restrict exports to Northern Ireland — provoking uproar and disbelief in Dublin, London and Belfast

 

[Argent Stonecutter]

Calling The Netherlands Holland, is the same as calling the USA Texas, Germany Bayern or The UK England.

I live in Texas and can state pretty confidently that most Texans have a tendency to mix up the USA and Texas.

For some reason they don't like being called Yanks, but the reason has something to do with "northerners", which is curious when the whole country is north of the equator.

 

[bubblesort]

Sorry, I'm rather proud of my heritage, even with finding the slave owning quaker in New Rotterdam, or the tangled mess of cousins marrying each other, or even the cross overs between paternal and maternal lines on my dad's side. Still, they made me who I am, warts and all [and my dad's dad's generation was a hot mess, let me tell you].

That's the worst you found? You got off light! LOL

Sorry, just... the only time I looked into my heritage on my dad's side, I found one of my ancestors was the judge who decided that black people are chattel. That's when I decided maybe genealogy isn't for me. Years later, I visited the little down my grandfather founded in Mississippi, called Rosedale. I grew up with stories about it from my dad, that it was an idyllic little town with a store my grandad ran and a farm, and all that... turns out, half the place burned to the ground during the civil rights era, the white people moved out and the place never really recovered. To this day, half the town is burned out. My grandad owned sharecroppers. My dad got away from all that bullshit when he was drafted into Korea and never looked back, so he never really saw what happened. Just spending an afternoon in Rosedale and hearing a little about it's history from the locals... I'm glad I didn't grow up there. Also, I can understand why the rest of his family kinda looked down on him as a yankee. My ancestors on my dad's side were a whole different level of evil.

Mom's side is pretty cool, though. She's an irish immigrant, from a big family of coopers in Dublin. All kinds of great family legends there. One uncle was a boxing champion. I'm not gonna dig to find what they left out of the oral tradition stories, though. Sometimes, ignorance is bliss.

Geneology is a good reminder for me to never do something my descendents will be ashamed of. Maybe one of them will dig and find me and be a little proud of me before they find the rest of the assholes in my family tree.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

That's the worst you found? You got off light! LOL

Sorry, just... the only time I looked into my heritage on my dad's side, I found one of my ancestors was the judge who decided that black people are chattel. That's when I decided maybe genealogy isn't for me. Years later, I visited the little down my grandfather founded in Mississippi, called Rosedale. I grew up with stories about it from my dad, that it was an idyllic little town with a store my grandad ran and a farm, and all that... turns out, half the place burned to the ground during the civil rights era, the white people moved out and the place never really recovered. To this day, half the town is burned out. My grandad owned sharecroppers. My dad got away from all that bullshit when he was drafted into Korea and never looked back, so he never really saw what happened. Just spending an afternoon in Rosedale and hearing a little about it's history from the locals... I'm glad I didn't grow up there. Also, I can understand why the rest of his family kinda looked down on him as a yankee. My ancestors on my dad's side were a whole different level of evil.

Mom's side is pretty cool, though. She's an irish immigrant, from a big family of coopers in Dublin. All kinds of great family legends there. One uncle was a boxing champion. I'm not gonna dig to find what they left out of the oral tradition stories, though. Sometimes, ignorance is bliss.

Geneology is a good reminder for me to never do something my descendents will be ashamed of. Maybe one of them will dig and find me and be a little proud of me before they find the rest of the assholes in my family tree.

Oh, I'm sure there is worse among my cousins; and possibly ancestors, but female lineage is a bit harder to trace and I've got some deadends. but the slave owning was a shock considering most all of my direct ancestors were northerners.

But I do have a local distant cousin who is full on QAnon, trumpista and Gaetz fan, so there is that.

Also, something several people have told me, including my sister from another mother [and father - we're just kindred spirits], that's on them, not me.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Sad but true (Prof Chalmers' observation, that is).

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Free ports – or sleaze ports? Rishi Sunak's dream of tax-free zones about to become reality

As bids close on applications to establish free ports, the jury is out on whether they will revitalise deprived areas of the UK or become mini-tax havens

www.theguardian.com

 

[Arkady Arkright]

Free ports – or sleaze ports? Rishi Sunak's dream of tax-free zones about to become reality

As bids close on applications to establish free ports, the jury is out on whether they will revitalise deprived areas of the UK or become mini-tax havens

www.theguardian.com

Mini Tax-havens for sure - certain people want somewhere more local than Belize etc. to hide their undeclared, untaxed wealth...

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Live farm animal exports to mainland EU at a standstill post-Brexit

Lucrative live shellfish trade also hit hard, with consultation over further restrictions on live animal exports ending soon

www.theguardian.com

Since 1 January, no cattle, sheep or goats have left the UK for mainland EU markets, the NFU and NPA said.

“There have been no live exports of any [cattle, sheep or goats] since 1 January,” said John Royle, the NFU’s chief livestock adviser. “That’s because there are no border control posts [BCPs] for them at EU mainland ports.” Royle put the value of UK live food animal exports at between £20m and £30m in 2019.

Border control posts are where live animal paperwork and welfare is checked on arrival in the EU. Now that the UK is a third country for EU trade purposes, BCP checks are required.

This is, of course, exactly what the 52% thought, in 2016, they were voting for, and it's elitist remainer nonsense to suggest otherwise.

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

So basically the EU has not enough border control posts for live animal on their own territory. Clearly a shortcoming by the EU.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

 

[Sid]

So basically the EU has not enough border control posts for live animal on their own territory. Clearly a shortcoming by the EU.

Really?
Is it somewhere in the Christmas eve agreement that we have to have those extra facillities in place January 1 2021 to please the Britons?
If so, than yes it would be an EU shortcoming by promising an unicorn, otherwise no.

If you want to build a facility like that, it needs careful designing, most likely changes in the current destination plans of the land involved, international tendering procedures for contractors, building permits, environmental regulations and animal welfare regulations have to be met and need approval, consultation rounds with the public, may be even law suits over the build.
Here in NL that will take at least 2-3 years to realize all of that, most likely longer.

We never got living cattle coming in from 3rd party countries. Maybe at some places along the eastern borders of the EU, but not trough our ports in the west.
Hence, no facilities needed there, until now.

It was the UK insisting to rush things in place with an ultra short timetable, not to stay part of the single market, slowing down negotiation tactics and an ultra short transition period.
Not us.

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

Yes, really!

The up and foremost goal was always to keep the goods flowing between EU and UK as smoothly as possible. It was crystal clear that border controls are necessary between both blocks, hence why the long discussion about the possible border in Ireland a year ago and longer.

So having this infrastructure not in place is a shortcoming by the EU.

 

[Beebo Brink]

So having this infrastructure not in place is a shortcoming by the EU.

Or the EU could decide it's not really that important to them to set up a system of new BCPs. The ROI for Europe seems dubious, so why bother?