Brexit.

[Argent Stonecutter]

There are very few countries where they serve raw herring with raw chopped union.

Chopped union? Is Holland leaving next?

 

[Arkady Arkright]

Is that herring pickled ?

 

[Casey Pelous]

Is that herring pickled ?

It's just a little tipsy.

 

[Sid]

Chopped union? Is Holland leaving next?

Bloody f***ng English......

That does it: Mandatory Dutch classes start tomorrow at 8:30.

 

[Sid]

Is that herring pickled ?

Nope: just a peeled onion chopped.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Interesting analysis.

I liked this observation:

Forman also bemoaned the fact that the EU is applying import controls when the UK is not doing so. But that arises simply because the UK government is not ready to do so, again an argument for extending transition, but not some unreasonable disparity of treatment. Thus, whilst the tone is more urbane, it is all of a piece with reports, such as the Daily Mail’s, which speak of the “dirty tricks” of “pernickety jobsworths” in enforcing the rules which the 17.4 million – who, don’t forget, knew exactly what they were voting for, and it is remainer elitism to suggest otherwise – voted for.

 

[Arkady Arkright]

Nope: just a peeled onion chopped.

Just wondered. I'm very fond of what we call 'Pickled Herring', but I'm not sure if the fish is raw, smoked or cooked.

 

[Free]

Just wondered. I'm very fond of what we call 'Pickled Herring', but I'm not sure if the fish is raw, smoked or cooked.

The herring is raw when it's pickled. It's just a preserving measure.

It can be served raw but is often cooked in any number of ways/recipes.

 

[Free]

Bloody f***ng English......

That does it: Mandatory Dutch classes start tomorrow at 8:30.

Spreekt u Engels?

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

I love pickled herring.

Also, as long as the dutch lessons don't confuse me further with my czech lessons, I'm game.

[Boy is czech confusing - but it is one of the languages of my fore-bearers, so....]

 

[bubblesort]

Bloody f***ng English......

That does it: Mandatory Dutch classes start tomorrow at 8:30.

Pennsylvania enters the chat! (the amish speak Pennsylvania Dutch, which is probably only loosely related to actual dutch)

 

[Veritable Quandry]

It is a German dialect. According to a Mennonite fried who spent some time in Germany it is close to a Southern German dialect that is considered hick.

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

Pennsylvania enters the chat! (the amish speak Pennsylvania Dutch, which is probably only loosely related to actual dutch)

Considering that the Pennsylvanian Dutch are German not Dutch, its only about as related as Deutch and Dutch are.

I speak with a bit of authority, being as how I'm about half, on my Dad's side [some english as well, but almost all of that side came over in the 1600s, and almost all were German descended]. Also, at least one of my ancestors is noted in a newspaper article as not speaking anything but, even though she was born here and not in Europe. I want to say it was an obituary, but not 100% because its been a little since I was looking for information about her.

 

[Bartholomew Gallacher]

Chopped union? Is Holland leaving next?

Caution: Holland is just one province amongst many others of the Netherlands.

 

[Sid]

It is a German dialect. According to a Mennonite fried who spent some time in Germany it is close to a Southern German dialect that is considered hick.

German, English and Dutch are in the same language group: West Germanic languages, group of Germanic languages that developed in the region of the North Sea, Rhine-Weser, and Elbe. Out of the many local West Germanic dialects the following six modern standard languages have arisen: English, Frisian, Dutch (Netherlandic-Flemish), Afrikaans, German, and Yiddish.

If one of those languages is your native tongue, you can learn the others relatively easy. Although they are totally different languages.
And all of them have various different dialects. So it is hard to say what the Amish exactly speak.

Over the time languages evolve. Afrikaans started as 16th- 17th centuries Dutch. But both languages are quite different now.
Same goes for the Amish Dutch\Deutsch (German).

My regional dialect is clearly a bridge between German and Dutch.
Dutch is my native tongue. I'm more or less fluent in German, English and the Limburgian Dialect.
I can understand written Afrikaans.
I understand almost all German and Dutch spoken dialects, can't speak them though.
Flemish is no problem to understand as long as they don't use Flemish dialects.

I must be and descendant from one of the Germanic tribes.
Most likely from the Saxons.

 

[Sid]

Caution: Holland is just one province amongst many others of the Netherlands.

Calling The Netherlands Holland, is the same as calling the USA Texas, Germany Bayern or The UK England.
But we are totally used to that. Almost all foreigners do so.
And when we support our national football team, whe even shout and sing "Holland, Holland" ourselves.

 

[Ashiri]

Calling The Netherlands Holland, is the same as calling the USA Texas, Germany Bayern or The UK England.
But we are totally used to that. Almost all foreigners do so.
And when we support our national football team, whe even shout and sing "Holland, Holland" ourselves.

So you share something significant with the people of the UK. (I often had to say I was not English... I'm still interested to see what happens to the UK)

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Considering that the Pennsylvanian Dutch are German not Dutch, its only about as related as Deutch and Dutch are.

I speak with a bit of authority, being as how I'm about half, on my Dad's side [some english as well, but almost all of that side came over in the 1600s, and almost all were German descended]. Also, at least one of my ancestors is noted in a newspaper article as not speaking anything but, even though she was born here and not in Europe. I want to say it was an obituary, but not 100% because its been a little since I was looking for information about her.

I'd always understood that the term Pennsylvania Dutch is a corruption based on an understandable mistake made by non-German speakers who asked the Germans there what language they were were speaking, and were told "Deutsch," which they heard, and repeated, as "Dutch."

Just as, in parts of Switzerland, they speak Schweizerdeutsch, in Pennsylvania, German-speakers speak Pennsylvaniadeutsch, and English speakers bastardised it and made it our own, as so often we do.

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

I'd always understood that the term Pennsylvania Dutch is a corruption based on an understandable mistake made by non-German speakers who asked the Germans there what language they were were speaking, and were told "Deutsch," which they heard, and repeated, as "Dutch."

Just as, in parts of Switzerland, they speak Schweizerdeutsch, in Pennsylvania, German-speakers speak Pennsylvaniadeutsch, and English speakers bastardised it and made it our own, as so often we do.

Pretty much. [And yeah, I butchered the spelling] According to 23&me, I'm mostly descended from people from Bayern, but according to my tree, I'm a mix of pretty much every German state, some Swiss, and my dad indicated some from what is now France, though I can't find any evidence of that at all [Family name Metz, and he used to say we came over when the city landed in French hands in the 1600s].

Sadly though I can muster up a few phrases, insult someone, swear with one word, and count to 13 with certainty and probably fake to 100.... I can usually puzzle out written, but can't write it myself, really. And that's because I actually lived in Frankfurt and Munich between the ages of 4-9 yrs old.

Of course, that same side is also where my English, Scottish and maybe Irish comes from, as well as maybe some Norwegian or Swedish.... maybe.

 

[Essence Lumin]

Calling The Netherlands Holland, is the same as calling the USA Texas, Germany Bayern or The UK England.
But we are totally used to that. Almost all foreigners do so.
And when we support our national football team, whe even shout and sing "Holland, Holland" ourselves.

Then there is calling the USA America but I digress.