#BYEDON 2020 - The End Better Fucking Be Near

[Pancake]

I don’t know much about former Senator Flake but he was remarkably likeable, candid and well spoken when interviewed by CBC radio today. I wish you had more like him. He talked about the election at first, but then about the topic of truth, and ending with the problem with his party and their relationship with Trump.

Here is the article, and if you can spare 6 minutes I recommend you listen to the embedded clip, at least from the 3:15 mark minute mark onward. From the 5 minute mark onwards probably the most candid or vulnerable I’ve heard a republican.

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-the-friday-edition-1.5792643/former-republican-senator-sickened-by-trump-s-false-claims-of-election-fraud-1.5793277

 

[Innula Zenovka]

NSFW language (very much so, since the guy is a comic)

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

I remember Flake as the guy lamenting about how terrible everything he voted for in the Senate was. Seems he's angling for that 2024 nomination. (Saw that coming.)

These far left:

Senator Jeff Flake's voting record

Senator Jeff Flake's voting record on Economics, Social Policy

politicsthatwork.com

And far right guys

Jeff Flake | FreedomWorks Key Voting Record

Find out whether Sen. Flake's voting record aligns with FreedomWorks principals

congress.freedomworks.org

Seem to agree on Flake's far right record. He got everything he ever masturbated over but resented the quiet parts loud.

 

[Kara Spengler]

Comment just now: don is bad at losing ... which is strange because he does it so often.

 

[Pancake]

I remember Flake as the guy lamenting about how terrible everything he voted for in the Senate was. Seems he's angling for that 2024 nomination. (Saw that coming.)

These far left:

Senator Jeff Flake's voting record

Senator Jeff Flake's voting record on Economics, Social Policy

politicsthatwork.com

And far right guys

Jeff Flake | FreedomWorks Key Voting Record

Find out whether Sen. Flake's voting record aligns with FreedomWorks principals

congress.freedomworks.org

Seem to agree on Flake's far right record. He got everything he ever masturbated over but resented the quiet parts loud.

That’s the most interesting part of the interview in my opinion. That even far right republicans can take issue with Trumps behaviour and the erosion of truth. I think that’s something that’s missing the days, in many countries, that we can fundamentally differ on policy and agendas, but agree there is a baseline of behaviour. Perhaps I’m hearing what I want to in what he said, but I still wish more republicans said it, and not just on Canadian radio. More every day Americans, who consider themselves Republicans, need to hear the separation in order for people to move forward.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

I think my tolerance break point for these sorts of guys is, would he stuff a surpreme court full of Kavanaughs? If not, ugh, but okay.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

 

[Sean Gorham]

Every GOP flunky who fell in line behind Trump is complicit in everything that happened afterward. Throw them all out.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

Evernote link because paywall

 

[detrius]

That’s the most interesting part of the interview in my opinion. That even far right republicans can take issue with Trumps behaviour and the erosion of truth. I think that’s something that’s missing the days, in many countries, that we can fundamentally differ on policy and agendas, but agree there is a baseline of behaviour. Perhaps I’m hearing what I want to in what he said, but I still wish more republicans said it, and not just on Canadian radio. More every day Americans, who consider themselves Republicans, need to hear the separation in order for people to move forward.

You're talking about pluralism.

I've noticed that I've never seen that term being used in political discussions here, back on SLU or other English-speaking discussion boards, which is weird to me because it's such a fundamental concept and essential for a free and democratic society.

It's rather telling that people need to say "I think that’s something that’s missing these days, in many countries, that we can fundamentally differ on policy and agendas, but agree there is a baseline of behaviour" instead of, for example "I think pluralism has declined in many countries".

This tells me that the concept is so radical and new, people subconsciously switch to a more descriptive phrasing rather than simply using the word.

Did you know the term? "Pluralism"?

And while I'm at it, what about "solidarity"? Are those words you hear when people talk about politics in your country?

 

[Pancake]

I think my tolerance break point for these sorts of guys is, would he stuff a surpreme court full of Kavanaughs? If not, ugh, but okay.

I disagreed, so I thought I should explain why. I know it’s a tough crowd on VVO, especially considering recent events, but I still believe there is a difference between someone with whom I have political differences, even someone whose politics I detest, and some of Trumps talking heads. That aside though, my point wasn’t that Flake or any of the others who are speaking out should be tolerated, but that I wish more republicans would say some of what he is.

For me, I just knew that when I came time for me to run for re-election, I had to decide, you know, if I want to be successful, given the way our party is right now or has been, I would have to cozy up to the president and agree with certain policies that I couldn't agree with and condone behaviour I certainly couldn't condone. And I knew I'd have to stand on a campaign stage with him while he belittled my colleagues and made fun of minorities. I just couldn't do it.

 

[Pancake]

You're talking about pluralism.

I've noticed that I've never seen that term being used in political discussions here, back on SLU or other English-speaking discussion boards, which is weird to me because it's such a fundamental concept and essential for a free and democratic society.

It's rather telling that people need to say "I think that’s something that’s missing these days, in many countries, that we can fundamentally differ on policy and agendas, but agree there is a baseline of behaviour" instead of, for example "I think pluralism has declined in many countries".

This tells me that the concept is so radical and new, people subconsciously switch to a more descriptive phrasing rather than simply using the word.

Did you know the term? "Pluralism"?

And while I'm at it, what about "solidarity"? Are those words you hear when people talk about politics in your country?

I have to say pluralism is not a term I hear often or have ever used. Once you said it, I knew instantly you were correct but it’s not the term that came to mind. If it’s used commonly in Canadian politics, I must be missing those conversations.

Solidarity is common for me, but used more in organized labour movements than broad stream politics.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

And while I'm at it, what about "solidarity"? Are those words you hear when people talk about politics in your country?

As Pancake just said, Solidarity has connotations in the Labour movement. I’ve been using it a lot more since COVID as I see social solidarity as the strongest defence against pandemic. Solidarity as a sense of belonging to and caring for those around us. Societies who have that, alongside scientific foundations, will fare better. I hope.

 

[Dakota Tebaldi]

CNN is reporting that White House chief of staff Mark Meadows has tested positive for COVID.

 

[Dakota Tebaldi]

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

 

[Dakota Tebaldi]

 

[Jopsy Pendragon]

Preferably handcuffed.

 

[Innula Zenovka]

 

[Argent Stonecutter]

I don’t know much about former Senator Flake but he was remarkably likeable, candid and well spoken when interviewed by CBC radio today.

He still voted to please Trump even when he was publicly opposing his policies.