How COVID-19 is affecting society

Kara Spengler

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Once the meat packers die or refuse to risk their mostly minority lives, meat plants will either close or scale back production so workers can have safe work conditions, which means high prices, probably permanently. Fine, we eat too much meat anyway. I was vegetarian for years, I know how to do that.

What I don’t buy is the “new normal” that involves upsurges in deaths. The GOAL is to save lives!

Wtf is wrong with people.
It would be interesting to analyze which diet is more socially distant friendly.
 

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It is the "you can't tell me what to do" mindset. I encountered this when I worked at a chemical plant right out of high school. The company policy was no facial hair of any type as the respirators need to seal to save your life in case of a leak. As part of the Safety dept, we had the fun chore of telling these chemical engineers who were making 200K plus a year that needed to shave to save their lives. Amongst the polite replies we received, "company can't tell me what to do" "no girl is going to tell me what I can or can't do" "I've had this beard since ..." It sucked. Personally I couldn't care if they sufficated for the sake of the beard but any incident investigation would hold the safety dept at fault for failing to enforce policies {almost impossible to do in the good ol boy network) and open not just the company but the safety manager legal responsibility. My boss had ulcers the whole year I worked there an pretty much until he retired about 12 years later. I left after a year of this crap as I only want my own stupidity to impact my job performance and not the bearded brotherhood of ineptitude.
Simple solution. Just make a company policy that they have to be clean shaven for safety reasons and sign a document saying they were told such. They can choose to not do so but if the worst happens your dept has a cya legal document that shows they were acting against the policy.
 

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I'm horribly rusty on my one semester of ASL... Did the interpreter sign that?
Hmm, I did not see the 2 versions I could think of nor the one that non-asl people use. Then again, I am just waking up.
 

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A new trend due to Coronavirus are "data donation/contact tracing apps" which should help to prevent the spread of the virus. In Germany first the idea was to do it in a centralized manner, but now all have switched over to decentralized so far.

In the UK on the other hand a centralized model is being favored by the government. A test version of it has been published to Apple's and Google's app stores.

In rare agreement both Google and Apple are warning to use this app due to privacy concerns and big abuse potential, but the GHCQ tells the exact opposite.

Apple, Google and hundreds of privacy advocates have raised concerns that this risks hackers or even the state itself being able to re-identify anonymised users, and thus learn details about their social circles.

But NHSX has consulted ethicists and GCHQ's National Cyber Security Centre (NCSC) on the matter, and believes safeguards are in place to minimise the risk of this happening.


What else to expect from the country in Europe with most CCTV going on...

 
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Oh wonderful, the gchq weighs in on privacy. Next it will be the nsa saying it.

I think you still could make one that respected privacy but those agencies words on privacy are not ones I would regard as authorities.
 

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Detailed analysis of the privacy and human rights issues raised by the centralised vs decentralised contact tracing models, balanced against the government's perfectly legitimate goal of protecting public health, by one of the UK's leading human rights lawyers, Adam Wagner

 
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If anyone has any references to explain, in a rigorous, non-dismissive way, why some people who should know better are so resistant to the idea of wearing a mask, I'd like to see it. I know some people whose line or work leads me to believe they are capable of understanding the purpose of the thing, but they seem irritated by the very thought of it.

As an example, I know someone of a technical bent, who has in fact invented technical gear and been employed by famous people, who is now a Trumper and refuses to wear a mask. In response to one of his videos I made what I thought was a super brief, non-condescending summary of the reason you wear a mask, and suggested he'd get better cooperation from people he approached if he wore one. He answered only a few of the hundreds of comments to his video, including mine, to say, very tersely, that he wasn't going to do that.