Vigilante Group Exposing Alleged Child Predator Leads To Suicide

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By that logic a 24 year old doing it with a 10 year old is ok by you.
I fucking HOPE they're not saying that.

Dude, Goblin, c'mon, man. That article talks about extended adolescence as a societal definition. We're going by biological definitions, rn. And that means that in terms of brain development, a FOURTEEN YEAR OLD is way less advanced than a TWENTY YEAR OLD.

Like seriously, you gonna tell me that when your ass was 20 years old, you didn't think young teens didn't seem a little...babyish to you? :cautious:
 

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Where is the proof that he knew he was meeting up with a 14 year old? There is a reason why we have a judicial system. This isn't the wild west.
Presumably the person he'd arranged to meet had claimed, in their online messaging, to be a 14-year-old boy.

However, we don't know what they actually discussed in their communications, so we don't really know what he intended to do. We can speculate all we like, but we don't have the transcripts of their online chat. We know that he was apparently gay, and from both a religious and a cultural background (Jamaican Jehovah's Witness) that would make coming out to his family as gay very difficult at the best of times, and certainly not via Facebook amid allegations he was a pedophile.

I can well imagine that he would have welcomed the opportunity just to socialise with what he thought was a sympathetic teenager, without necessarily wanting to take things any further. But without the transcripts we just don't know.
 
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By that logic a 24 year old doing it with a 10 year old is ok by you.
Of course that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that a 20 year old isn't that sound of mind. What he did was stupid. But he was still a boy. We also don't know he even planned to have sex with the 14 year old, as Innula said.
 
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Of course that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that a 20 year old isn't that sound of mind. What he did was stupid. But he was still a boy. We also don't know he even planned to have sex with the 14 year old, as Innula said.
So what was the point of the BBC link? A 20 year old and a 14 year old is to say the least, not appropriate. Whether fully developed or not, any normal 20 year old would know that.
 

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When men my age were 18 they got drafted and sent to harms way in Viet Nam. Mr. Kyomoon's grandmother had the first of many children when she was like 12. If a 16 year old and a 17 year old are in love is it pedophilia the day the first one turns 18? I remember when men in their 30's and 40's thought it was admirable to get teenagers in bed.

Some people might need more education about the responsibilities of adulthood and when they begin. Especially the part about who's a child and that children must be left alone. *sigh*

As for the vigilante sting operation: wrong wrong wrong.
 
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So what was the point of the BBC link? A 20 year old and a 14 year old is to say the least, not appropriate.
The point is that it's easier to entrap someone who's still a bit young, and impulsive and still sees themselves as a kid. Of course it wasn't appropriate. Nobody said it was appropriate. I'm saying this 20 year old likely wasn't even a pedophile, and odds are they'd have preferred other adults given more time.
 

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And even if the 20 year old had no thought of sex, a 20 year old should never make friends with a 14 year old without first getting an okay from the kid's parents. I would be suspicious of an 18 year old who started hanging out with my 14 year old behind my back.
 
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If a 16 year old and a 17 year old are in love is it pedophilia the day the first one turns 18?
No, I think that is really dumb. I think there should be a minimum age difference where it is OK. Maybe 1 1/2 or 2 years.

I remember when men in their 30's and 40's thought it was admirable to get teenagers in bed.
Well shoot, when I was a child the law was it was impossible to rape your wife. That is ugly ancient history though.
 
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And even if the 20 year old had no thought of sex, a 20 year old should never make friends with a 14 year old without first getting an okay from the kid's parents. I would be suspicious of an 18 year old who started hanging out with my 14 year old behind my back.
I totally agree. But I also think we shouldn't be too quick to crucify the 20 year old. When I was a kid (much younger than 14) I was sometimes chatty and would strike up a conversation with someone older. None of them tried anything, but I would be mortified if some moral crusader accused them of being a pedophile because they didn't run away screaming when a kid talked to them. Likewise, I suspect that many of these vigilante groups will approach the slightly older people to try to entrap them.
 

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I totally agree. But I also think we shouldn't be too quick to crucify the 20 year old.
Well, no. Like Innula said, we really don't know what his motives or intentions were. And that is one of the (many) reasons why vigilantism is a horrible, ugly thing. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I start believing his intentions were likely benign. But 20 is old enough to know that fraternizing with a 14 year old is probably not appropriate, or at the least, unwise.
 

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Coincidentally, this report has just been posted on the BBC website: ‘Was my dad a paedophile?’

The comments from Lesley Duff, whose father killed himself two days after video of him being confronted by a pedophile-hunter was live-streamed on Facebook, are quite telling, I think:
Mr Duff's suicide meant Lesley has been left without answers regarding her father's potential guilt, and the scale of his actions.

"This could have been a one-off thing where he's done something stupid.

"I know people would say, 'well the thought was there', but the reality is he may not have actually committed any crime at all.

"We don't know, because as soon as he [took his own life] the case was closed.

"I don't know what was on my dad's computer, if anything, and I'm never going to know because somebody deemed to put it all over Facebook rather than letting police deal with it."

Lesley feels like she has been left to deal with the consequences of her father's actions.

"I've had threats - threatening to rape me, rape my daughter," she explains, as she tries to speak through the tears.

She was not able to hold a funeral for her father because of fears that vigilantes might turn up. The inquest was closed for the same reason.

Her father was instead cremated hundreds of miles away.

His death, however, did not stop the social media videos.

Someone she knew posted a video of him being carried from his house to an ambulance in a body bag on Facebook.

For Lesley, the video is just another example of the vitriol she has received, which she says she has done nothing to deserve.