The Invasion of Venezuela

Innula Zenovka

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And on January 3, he said "Mission Accomplished"

“We’re going to run the country until such time as we can do a safe, proper and judicious transition” to new leadership, Trump said at a news conference in Florida. He didn’t provide more detail about how the U.S. would control Venezuela, saying a group of officials would be named to oversee it.

Nothing says "We're running the country now" quite like telling all your nationals to leave the country because it's not safe. That's really going to reassure the oil companies.
 

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Over and over, the GOP fails to anticipate that there will be a response to their actions. They're like a particularly deluded chess player who constantly forgets that the opponent gets to move their pieces, too.

GOP Brain Trust: "Ha! Check! I win! See? My bishop is attacking your king! My game!"

Opponent: *Knight takes bishop.*
They fail to understand complex situations. Taking out the person who has been keeping various factions of the Venezuelan government in check inevitably leads to those factions vying for power. Rodriguez does not control the military or the militias. Cabello has more control over the military and paramilitaries, but even he does not have complete control. He has every reason to see Rodriguez fail.
 

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The way she is pandering to Trump makes me ill. She should have it removed.
Look at it from her point of view. She won the election that Maduro stole, and wants to take her place as president and try to take the country back to some sort of normality. She knows what Trump is like and how much he resents not being awarded the prize she won.

Trump wants bribes and flattery and she's offering him the best best inducements she has available in return for his support. That's how the leaders of the US's traditional friends and allies have to humour him.

Everyone hates it, and him, but that's the way he is, and the way everyone else has to approach the US nowadays.
 

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Look at it from her point of view. She won the election that Maduro stole, and wants to take her place as president and try to take the country back to some sort of normality. She knows what Trump is like and how much he resents not being awarded the prize she won.

Trump wants bribes and flattery and she's offering him the best best inducements she has available in return for his support. That's how the leaders of the US's traditional friends and allies have to humour him.

Everyone hates it, and him, but that's the way he is, and the way everyone else has to approach the US nowadays.
As a Venezuelan, I don't care, I was actually not a big fan of her before this. There is a matter of integrity, and I feel that she has zero. Yes, I know the reality of dealing with Trump, but her pandering still comes with a massive price tag and it makes me sick. The whole situation does. I haven't commented on it for various reasons. He is never going to support a woman, and has already insulted her. She looks weak sucking up to him like a sycophant.
 

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As a Venezuelan, I don't care, I was actually not a big fan of her before this. There is a matter of integrity, and I feel that she has zero. Yes, I know the reality of dealing with Trump, but her pandering still comes with a massive price tag and it makes me sick. The whole situation does. I haven't commented on it for various reasons. He is never going to support a woman, and has already insulted her. She looks weak sucking up to him like a sycophant.
We in the European NATO countries are seeing this play out as our heads of government, in an attempt to retain US support for Ukraine, shamelessly flatter and suck up to Trump, even while he and Vance attack liberal European social democracy and openly support far right European parties. It's extremely annoying and humiliating, and I often wish they'd tell him where to get off, but then I think, "what would a citizen of Kiev want to happen," and start to have second thoughts.

Rightly or wrongly, European members of NATO have to depend on the threat of US military support against Russian aggression, at least until we've been able to build up our own forces and reorganise them on the basis that we can no longer rely on the US as an ally that will honour its treaty commitments. I wish we weren't in the position but it's where we are. This is one reason why everyone's so worried about Greenland -- there's every possibility that Trump will blow up NATO completely.

Unfortunately, no one can deal with Trump and retain their integrity. But since he's POTUS, many governments and serious politicians don't get the choice. As I see it -- and obviously I don't know much about Venezuela -- Trump clearly doesn't care who runs Venezuela so long as they do what he tells them, and is quite content to leave the previous cartel in place so long as they let him control the oil exports. My friend in Venezuela doesn't much care for her either, but he seems to think that, for all her faults, a completely new government with her in charge would be an improvement on Maduro's people, which is why he and so many others voted for her Plataforma Unitaria Democrática in 2024. It could, from what he says, hardly be worse.

I really don't know, Cris. It seems to me she's doing no more than political leaders in NATO countries are having to do, and she probably hates it as much as they do.
 

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I don't think that Trump cares about the oil of Venezuela or thinks about it much. He's way too far down the hill already in his dementia to even understand such concepts now. What he only still cares about is that his inflated ego is being fed and going down in the history of the United States as the best president ever.

He's a sock puppet nowadays, manipulated and steered up and foremost by Stephen Miller.

And he could be removed by invoking the 25th amendment most likely due to these mental health issues.

He's the American Nero so to speak, and he's destroying American power at an ever increasing rate.
 

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Republicans Are Pushing Back on Trump’s Venezuela Plans Behind Closed Doors

Republican lawmakers have been reluctant to criticize the Trump administration publicly over the operation in Venezuela to oust Nicolás Maduro — but behind closed doors, it’s a different story.

Last week’s classified briefing on the Venezuela strike from Trump officials marked a rare instance where House Republicans, who typically defend President Donald Trump’s decisions, expressed wariness and concern over the executive branch’s approach in the South American country.
The briefing is the latest example of Republican lawmakers slowly — and subtly — breaking with Trump. Last week’s Senate vote to advance a war powers resolution that would curb Trump’s ability to expand military actions in Venezuela, and a House vote to extend the Affordable Care Act’s enhanced tax credits for three years, which Trump has opposed, are early signs of how the president’s grip on congressional Republicans is fraying.

NOTUS spoke with over a dozen lawmakers about the private briefing, most of whom were granted anonymity to speak candidly about the details from inside the room.
 

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The Guardian María Corina Machado says she presented Trump with her Nobel peace prize medal

The Venezuelan opposition leader María Corina Machado has said she “presented” her gold Nobel peace prize medal to Donald Trump after meeting him in the White House, nearly a fortnight after he ordered the abduction of Venezuela’s president, Nicolás Maduro.

Machado, who received the award last year for her struggle against Maduro’s “brutal, authoritarian state”, told reporters she had done so “in recognition [of] his unique commitment [to] our freedom”. It was not immediately clear whether Trump had accepted the gift.
A new solid gold shiny precious? I'm willing to bet he did.
 

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Machado herself is quite right wing figure, so it figures. Two right wing nuts together having a nice time.

She's got no real following in Venezuela, but wants to rule. So bribing the Manbaby is a good way to get that.
 
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Trump doesn't respect appeasers. He demands loyalty, but despises those who bend their knee to him. They are losers.
Didn't he say she, "Seems like a nice woman" but she "doesn't have the respect of Venezuela" to rule?

Riiiiiiiight .... it's Venezuela that doesn't respect her. Sure.
 

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Didn't he say she, "Seems like a nice woman" but she "doesn't have the respect of Venezuela" to rule?

Riiiiiiiight .... it's Venezuela that doesn't respect her. Sure.
This Venezuelan doesn't - and the sentiment is actually fairly widespread among other Venezuelans I know.
 

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This Venezuelan doesn't - and the sentiment is actually fairly widespread among other Venezuelans I know.
I'm sure that's true. I'm also sure he's not talking about Venezuelans, whether here or in Venezuela. That would involve both knowing and valuing what they think. As usual, he's just making noises he thinks will somehow benefit him. He's just as likely as not to announce tomorrow that she's the messiah Venezuelans have all been demanding he install as the new dictator (with the requisite tears in their eyes and lots of, "Please, sir!")
 
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I heard on NPR the Venezuelan* oil money has been sold for $500 million, and is in a fund Trump has access to.

*Yes, I copy/pasted that word, I'm too tired to memorize it right now.
 

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Didn't he say she, "Seems like a nice woman" but she "doesn't have the respect of Venezuela" to rule?

Riiiiiiiight .... it's Venezuela that doesn't respect her. Sure.
This Venezuelan doesn't - and the sentiment is actually fairly widespread among other Venezuelans I know.
Multiple things can be true, but Trump supporting her was already a no-go simply because she's a woman.

If you poured his "respect" for Machado into Liebig's barrel, then multiple planks would be missing already (probably embezzled by Trump).