Social Fraud in Second Life (European Citizen)

[Noodles]

On another side note, you have no idea if they are even cashing out those L$ completely. L$ have absolutely zero monetary value. They could make 1,000,000 L$ per day (somehow) and not be breaking any of these income laws if they aren't ever cashing out.

 

[Aribeth Zelin]

Even when my businesses were doing well [for me], I never cashed out - the money went to paying for the space my still not opened club is, as well as rent on sop space. Also, I'm sure there is more than one person living in Germany and working as an SL escort.

 

[TankWorld]

I do know a few "professional girls" in SL who I already met personally that didn't tell me or anyone else any bullshit stories to begin with, but thanks for being so judgemental. And what business it is of mine? Let's see? How about this person having discredited and undermined competitors to gain advantage and to screw exactly those disabled and in need out of business? How about using stories as an excuse to deceive people into believing that someone is in need, when it becomes more and more clear, that the only intention is to violate given financial laws, to laugh in the face of others? We have already a rock solid system here where everyone, disabled people, migrants, unemployed are being supported by the state, yet this person doesn't give a damn about the law, spits in everyones face, including mine as a tax payer and laughs about others, who get desperate because they lose needed income due to that persons lies.

But I already can tell that there won't be better suggestions than the one by OrinB to report that person with all present evidence and get in contact with law enforcement. I wouldn't have though that the acceptance of fraud in here is as big as the last couple of posts showed.

Topic can be closed, peace!

 

[Sid]

but thanks for being so judgemental.

Who started this thread, full with judgement in the opening post?

 

[Sid]

I d. I wouldn't have though that the acceptance of fraud in here is as big as the last couple of posts showed.

I'm no fan of fraud at all. But you have nothing brought up that even looks like the beginning of any proof.
Only hear say, assumptions and clearly, a lot of butt hurt towards the person you blame.

 

[Pamela]

This is not about setting things right, or about being a concerned citizen, but about trying to figure out some way to punish the person the OP has some grudge against/ envies.

 

[Shiloh Lyric]

I do know a few "professional girls" in SL who I already met personally that didn't tell me or anyone else any bullshit stories to begin with, but thanks for being so judgemental. And what business it is of mine? Let's see? How about this person having discredited and undermined competitors to gain advantage and to screw exactly those disabled and in need out of business? How about using stories as an excuse to deceive people into believing that someone is in need, when it becomes more and more clear, that the only intention is to violate given financial laws, to laugh in the face of others? We have already a rock solid system here where everyone, disabled people, migrants, unemployed are being supported by the state, yet this person doesn't give a damn about the law, spits in everyones face, including mine as a tax payer and laughs about others, who get desperate because they lose needed income due to that persons lies.

But I already can tell that there won't be better suggestions than the one by OrinB to report that person with all present evidence and get in contact with law enforcement. I wouldn't have though that the acceptance of fraud in here is as big as the last couple of posts showed.

Topic can be closed, peace!

You don't even know for sure what country this person lives in. You're only making assumptions. Everything you've posted so far is nothing but an assumption. And I don't know about in Europe but I know what they say about 'assuming' here in the United States.

It sucks to feel conned, or to BE conned. But in this case, whatever you think you want to do is pretty futile, because you actually know nothing at all about the real situation.

 

[Myficals]

How about using stories as an excuse to deceive people into believing

You see, this for me is the crux of the matter. I don't know you. You're just some random on the internet who clearly has an axe to grind. I don't know the people you're railing against. I don't know anything about the situation you're ranting about. To be blunt, how do I know this isn't a story?

I'm not going to get worked up about something for which my only source of information is a random, shouty stranger trying to hand out torches and pitchforks.

 

[Cristiano]

I wouldn't have though that the acceptance of fraud in here is as big as the last couple of posts showed.

Topic can be closed, peace!

I figured you would reply with some bullshit copout about the people here not caring about fraud. You did not disappoint. No one here is condoning fraud. We just have a higher bar than anything you have presented here. This seems like a personal grudge and doxxing effort.

 

[TankWorld]

I will certainly not post any screenshots of names or transactions or anything like that here to violate rules. I know clearly what I am talking about and was asking for advice on whom to contact and how to proceed to report fraud that isn't being committed within SL, as lying about an identity or claiming wrong reallife situation is not necessarily fraud. I spent enough time to collect the evidence to proceed but, according to the TOS of LL, none of the actions violate those TOS. LL does a good job protecting itself but the facts are on hand and it has barely anything to do with envy but more with people clearly using SL to violate laws in my country.

I am very well aware that he/she isn't the only one and that everyone that gets involved in those things should be punished, no matter what gender or what nationality. I have seen a lot of crap in SL, creators bashing each other and what not and there was always a legal way for those parties to resolve the issues. Sadly, evading taxes and committing social fraud is still underestimated and the acceptance of those practices here seems to be bigger than trying to get into a serious discussion about it, providing help and, maybe, making SL a more trustworthy place. Like I said, I will follow the advice I got and that's the end of story.

I'm sorry if anyone of you got offended about my concerns but I feel that justice has to be served to those that mock and ruin other people just for their own entertainment and financial gains while breaking laws.

 

[Pamela]

 

[TankWorld]

I figured you would reply with some bullshit copout about the people here not caring about fraud. You did not disappoint. No one here is condoning fraud. We just have a higher bar than anything you have presented here. This seems like a personal grudge and doxxing effort.

This has absolutely nothing to do with a bullshit copout. It is simply about you people thinking that I am coming here, asking for advic, having no evidence. I know that, posting any evidence here would need to include names because otherwise it wouldn't be trustworthy but I am not here to publicly post avatar names and drag someone through the mud. I was asking for advice on how to proceed with a report of social fraud, if the suspect is an european citizen, since LL is based in the US, which means that the jurisdictions are different.

I was also here because I thought I could get advice from people who are rather unbiased and would listen and help, rather than namecalling and the likes. I understand the message though and, like I said before, will take the advice of one Member here, which was my first idea as well. I thought there would be an easier way, but, as stated, it is not a violation of LL's TOS but rather a RL issue since L$ by themselves are not taxable and have no value until cashed out.

Thank you for the replies though, I appreciate them!

 

[EmpressOfCommunism]

It also seems like a weird grudge against disabled people possibly getting government help since the weird griping about tax dollars while not even revealing if they live in the same country as OP.

 

[Sid]

 

[TankWorld]

It also seems like a weird grudge against disabled people possibly getting government help since the weird griping about tax dollars while not even revealing if they live in the same country as OP.

I have absolutely no idea how you come up with that nonsene statement, but a grudge against disabled people? I mentioned before that I met with SL residents in RL before who actually ARE disabled, receive health care and earn a little bit in SL. But none of them used several alts, altering stories about their lives constantly just to make someone feel bad for them and shove money up their... There are people who are disabled or have health issues that still know what decency is and who won't deceive people like the person I am talking about. So, please, don't accuse me of things that aren't true. And yes, the person I am talking about does live in the same country as I am, which i already mentioned in one of my posts before...

 

[EmpressOfCommunism]

That's the thing though, considering ALL of the other stuff this person has apparently done, why is their personal money from disability cheques at all a concern? Worry about the lies, not their personal finances.

 

[Soen Eber]

I thought you might have been a Russian troll this morning, but I know the German federal elections were held last year and a quick lookup showed the Bavarian elections have recently concluded.

You're just one of those "ein Platz für alles und alles an seinem Platz" volk, aren't you? Do us a favor and walk out now, find a cafe, have some white sausage with mustard and pretzel (or whatever is customary if you're a northerner), sit back, enjoy whatever music is playing, and chill. You need a break.

 

[Kamilah Hauptmann]

Welcome to the hive mind.

 

[TankWorld]

That's the thing though, considering ALL of the other stuff this person has apparently done, why is their personal money from disability cheques at all a concern? Worry about the lies, not their personal finances.

Because that person has told all kinds of stories and never came up, on any known account, with the excuse of being disabled or sick? Rather using the excuse of being a muslim refugee, which by itself is a joke as a refugee, muslim, would not strip nor escort in SL and likely not even have the hardware to do so? That by itself is an insult towards all refugees that escaped a warzone and really fought for their lives... I am certain that this person is using the "feel sorry for me" card because everyone knows that it works best, even with criminal intentions

 

[EmpressOfCommunism]

But, you have no proof, and there in lies the heart of the issue. If you have no proof, either A) block them and move on, B) Alert people around you to your suspicions or C)confront them directly. But this business of trying to get authorities or LL staff involved for fraud according to a legal definition simply isn't going to work; especially considering a lack of concrete evidence beyond your suspicions. Catfishing is a thing, it really sucks, and it can be emotionally draining to deal with, BUT in most cases catfishing in of itself does not meet legal definitions of fraud, and so only *personal* actions can be taken: blocking them, alerting friends, and etc. There's really not that much else you can do, nor is there anything else anyone here can do for you beyond giving you varying versions of the advice I am giving you.