Police Brutality Protests Thread

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Criminal mastermind here: He posted images of himself during the fire and riot and walked around with some of the items he retrieved from the station. He was a security guard for Menards (was, because he referred to posted images on the job, as well). He is from St. Paul, originally Pensacola, Florida.

Man charged with arson of Minneapolis Third Precinct station

Some are speculating that he looks an awful lot like "umbrella man", the man who walked around with an umbrella as he broke windows as other protesters tried to stop him.
 
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However, that doesn't mean we can pretend mass gatherings during a time of pandemic aren't going to do a lot to spread the virus, be they protests against police violence and racism, communal acts of religious worship, or Trump rallies
No one is pretending, they are weighing the risks. Church gatherings are inside. Trump rallies are inside, no masks, no distancing.
 

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I remain unconvinced re: dismantlement of MPD. I've read the MPD 150 information and to me, it sounds like a lot of pie-in-the-sky thinking. They seem to want to fix all societal ills, and that I'm good with, of course, but to suggest that the police can be replaced by social workers on domestic violence and other assorted family issues is absolutely garbage. I did a simple search for social workers murdered on the job and it's long, one after the other. They are #20 at dangerous jobs. Obviously I do believe that the police have become a catch-all for all societal ills, dealing with mental illness, domestic violence, etc...But there is a larger picture, one in which that happened because cities/states/federal government absolutely have failed at addressing those issues. But hey, by disbanding the police dept, surely they will succeed. :/

I haven't seen them even say that they are considering a Camden model. In fact, I haven't seen them say much of anything at all about their plans, just that they continue to want complete abolishment. When Frey was booed at that protest, that protest was attended by a fair number of the MPD150 group. The gal with the bullhorn stated, and to much applause, "We don't want no police."

Lisa Bender, the City Council President was on CNN, and was asked who do you call if your house is broken into in the middle of the night. She said that question comes from a "place of privilege". Say, what? If your house is broken into in the middle of the night, you might well be facing violence done unto you. Over here that has meant death for some of those folks. I would like to point out that, with publicly available information, she lives in a very low-crime area of the city. From my point of view, I think *she* is privileged. In any event, I do think I get what she is trying to say in that there are many people who would not call the police in such a situation because the police would make it worse, but her messaging is terrible.

As someone who supports police reform, they need to get their act together and state clearly and concisely just how they want to accomplish their goals. I don't want to hear wishy-washy talk about how if we lift everyone up, fill everyone's bellies, there be less/no crime or anything about "neighbors protecting each other". My closest neighbors are criminals. I want concrete ideas, actual plans. I am trying to remain somewhat patient despite my reservations but they are not making it easy.
The whole defund the police thing has a lot of variations to it. Basically it is ideas for improving the police, most people do not want the pd to disappear all at once. In fact I was watching the show from one progressive who argued for giving them more money since part of the problem is they need more training (he did not state it but I am guessing the $$ would be tied to their training budget).
 
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Josephine County, Oregon nearly abolished their police for many years. In 2012, much of their federal funding disappeared. A ballot measure to replace the funding was shot down. As a result, the county of 1642 square miles cut its police force from 23 to 3. Grants Pass, the largest town in the county was not affected as they have their own police force. The rest of the county went from 20 hour x 7 day to 8 hour x 5 day coverage, plus some help from the Oregon State Police. It can take over an hour to get from one part of the county to another. They have largely but not completely recovered at this point.

The web article about it is here. Report: Calls for help often went unanswered in Josephine County after 2012 funding cuts

The full report is at the bottom of the article.
 

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Here’s the problem. The below graphic explains what the goals really are. And they’re excellent common sense goals.

But... Who thinks the media are going to allow candidates to explain and advocate for all this and who thinks the narrative will just be “so, do you want to get rid of police?”


 

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Why is policing in the US a fractal cauliflower of corruption anyway? Why do we need more than one police force per state at the most, instead of state police, county police, highway police, and yet another police force for every city, town, village, hamlet, piglet, etc?
 
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French peasants used to wear wooden shoes (they were cheaper than leather). When industrialization started, they would throw their shoes into the machinery to damage it. The French word for shoe is "sabot", so the act of throwing your shoes became called "sabotage".
A spanner in the works, only with a different technology.

My home town, Nottingham, has historical associations other than Robin Hood.

It's long been a centre for, among other things, lacemaking and weaving, and back at the start of the C18th, during the beginnings of industrialisation, was the birthplace of the Luddite movement, who didn't just throw their shoes into the machinery, they wrecked it, and quite often burned down the factory, too.

That wasn't mindless opposition to progress; it was skilled tradesmen and their families protecting their livelihoods against early capitalists.
 
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Here’s the problem. The below graphic explains what the goals really are. And they’re excellent common sense goals.

But... Who thinks the media are going to allow candidates to explain and advocate for all this and who thinks the narrative will just be “so, do you want to get rid of police?”


Yes, people want sound bites, the more inflammatory the better. Most media does not want nuanced discussions.
 

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French peasants used to wear wooden shoes (they were cheaper than leather). When industrialization started, they would throw their shoes into the machinery to damage it. The French word for shoe is "sabot", so the act of throwing your shoes became called "sabotage".
As star trek told us. :)
 

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Rather than "defund", I wish the discussion was about "demilitarize" the police. Ever since we got SWAT teams, and military equipment hand-me-downs to police departments, it is too easy to use it, because its there.
A city near my old hometown got an armored personnel carrier. Their logic was something like 'how do you KNOW there will not be a terrorist attack here?' Awhile back there was basically a riot started by college kids at a local family festival. That vehicle was out just blocks away. It was never brought in, thus both proving the application was a lie and blm probably used it because it was a lot of white kids.