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Innula Zenovka

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It is a good thing that such a stunt is impossible in Germany: if a MP, which has a direct mandate, resigns somebody from the state party list of the same party becomes automatically the successor.

There will be no by-election, because it is not necessary.
But quite frequently, at least in by-elections in England in recent years, the seat has changed hands, particularly if it's held by the governing party and they're doing badly.

To my mind, should be up to the voters in the constituency to decide who should represent them, rather than to have it decided for them on the basis of who they voted for two or three years ago.

Besides, we have the wonderful possibility that Farage's stunt will blow up in his face and he'll find himself defeated by Count Binface.
 
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But quite frequently, at least in by-elections in England in recent years, the seat has changed hands, particularly if it's held by the governing party and they're doing badly.

To my mind, should be up to the voters in the constituency to decide who should represent them, rather than to have it decided for them on the basis of who they voted for two or three years ago.
But why should the voters in those constituencies get to update their representation while everyone else has to wait for the end of the full term?

I don't think it's more democratic or fair to let/make people in some places cast their vote more often than others. They thought they'd get the full five years and now they have to redo the whole thing, but with limited choices. The situation kinda reminds me of when companies like Sony or Amazon decide to delete digital content from the libraries of their customers so they have to "purchase" those films or games all over again.

Our party list system not only provides continuity but also protects the egality of the vote, which is an essential part of democracy.

Besides, we have the wonderful possibility that Farage's stunt will blow up in his face and he'll find himself defeated by Count Binface.
I'll keep my fingers crossed.
 

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But why should the voters in those constituencies get to update their representation while everyone else has to wait for the end of the full term?

I don't think it's more democratic or fair to let/make people in some places cast their vote more often than others. They thought they'd get the full five years and now they have to redo the whole thing, but with limited choices. The situation kinda reminds me of when companies like Sony or Amazon decide to delete digital content from the libraries of their customers so they have to "purchase" those films or games all over again.

Our party list system not only provides continuity but also protects the egality of the vote, which is an essential part of democracy.


I'll keep my fingers crossed.
Normally the voters in those constituencies would get to update their representation because the representative for whom they originally voted is no longer available -- they've died, or retired from politics because of some scandal or for whatever reason. That is, because of particular circumstances that apply to their district but not generally.

Part of the difference, I think, is that we vote for the individual Member of Parliament to represent the constituency, not for a party list. That's the reason that if the regular representative doesn't stand again in a general election (e.g. they've decided to retire from politics) the vote their party's replacement candidate receives tends to be lower than the sitting MP would have expected, had they stood for re-election -- that is, a lot of people were voting for the individual, whom they knew as an effective and popular local MP, rather than the generic Labour/Conservative/Lib Dem candidate.
 

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I don't understand the reaction from the other parties, all of whom (with the exception of Lord Binface) are refusing to run. They say it is just a stunt by Farage ... so they're just going to let him win by default? What??
 

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I don't understand the reaction from the other parties, all of whom (with the exception of Lord Binface) are refusing to run. They say it is just a stunt by Farage ... so they're just going to let him win by default? What??
Farage is currently under investigation for his corruption and wants to substitute that investigation with a by-election. He's good at campaigning, so his intention is to frame it as some sort of public trial.

The other candidates will have two options:
1.) point out Farage's corruption, allowing him to frame it as a politically motivated attack
2.) ignore the scandal, which equates to letting Farage off the hook

There's no doubt he took a page out of Trump's playbook.
 
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Farage is currently under investigation for his corruption and wants to substitute that investigation with a by-election. He's good at campaigning, so his intention is to frame it as some sort of public trial.

The other candidates will have two options:
1.) point out Farage's corruption, allowing him to frame it as a politically motivated attack
2.) ignore the scandal, which equates to letting Farage off the hook

There's no doubt he took a page out of Trump's playbook.
Assuming Farage wins his by election the investigation will resume and, after it's completed, he will almost certainly find himself suspended from Parliament for long enough to trigger a recall petition in his constituency, which, assuming it's successful (as it very likely will be) will lead to a further byelection.

That one will be contested by all the other parties, with "Do you want to be represented by someone who's been found guilty of concealing large cash donations from various shady sources?" as a central theme.

The constituency is a weird one (even by the standards of Essex) and the Conservatives are the only other party that stands a chance of winning there, and only then if the Restore party (even further right than Reform) do serious damage to Farage's vote. Farage presumably hoped to wrong-foot everyone by triggering this election before the inquiry is completed, so he could then fight any byelection following his suspension on the basis that his constituents had returned him only a few weeks previously, and this was the established parties refusing to accept their decision.

Now he doesn't get to do that. Instead he contests a non-election, of which the count will be announced with only him and Count Binface standing next to the Returning Officer (and possibly a candidate from the Monster Raving Loony Party, too) and the inquiry will continue regardless, at the end of which he'll face well-prepared opponents with plenty of ammunition at their disposal.

Unless on the night Count Binface surprises us all ....

ETA: Fraser Nelson, a Conservative columnist on The Times (a Conservative newspaper)


When I made my Ch4 film on Reform UK I focused on its popular support, how it was giving hope to millions who loathed the Labour-Tory duumvirate. But Reform now starting to look like another crooked establishment, who loathe accountability so much, so viscerally, that they call by-elections in protest against it.

Against this, are we really so sure that Count Binface is the joke candidate? He gave a decent interview to Sky News. He represents the voter’s right to rebel: to same that some propositions are too absurd to be dignified with normal politics. A by-election held because the local is irritated by scrutiny is exactly such a proposition.
ETA2: Detailed and expert analysis from Sam Freeman, someone I read when I want to know what's going on rather than because I want to read someone being rude about people I don't like.


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Profile of Count Binface in the Financial Times.

Leading politicians have embraced his challenge. Kemi Badenoch, the Conservative leader, told Sky News that, in the context of a “people versus the establishment” by-election, Binface “may be the people”.

Rachel Reeves, the chancellor, said that “if [Farage] wants to spend the summer arguing with a bin, I won’t stop him”.
Binface himself told the FT that the by-election was “potentially a complete sideshow and is therefore arguably a derogation of the parliamentary system” and emphasised the hundreds of thousands of pounds it could cost the taxpayer.

“I reckon they’re having a chat in Reform HQ right now, going, ‘What have we done?’” he said.
 

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Jonn Elledge's Newsletter of (not quite) Everything is always worth reading. I particularly enjoyed the list of revisions his US editor insisted were needed for the US edition of one of his books


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My first book, The Compendium of (Not Quite) Everything – the book from which this newsletter, sort of, span off – has been republished in North America under the new title Elledge’s Non-Trivial Trivia. Vast though my ego is, I promise I did not choose that.

Anyway, part of the process of updating the book involved my US editor Nick going through the book for what he terms “Britishisms” and translating them for the man on Main Street. Here, to offer some insight into two countries divided by a common language, are some of the changes.

  • “Stuffed” is now “Screwed”.
  • “Pass-the-parcel” is now “hot potato”.
  • “Just look at those brackets” is now “Just look at those parenthenticals”.
  • “Barney” is now “spat”.
  • “Legged” has become “hightailed”, while “scarpered” is now “fled”.
  • “Stiffed with” is now “stuck with”.
  • “Faff” is now “fuss”.
  • The “come to that” in “Where else would you find the British, come to that” is now “for that matter”.
  • “Did a runner with” has, regrettably, become “ran off with” (Nick was very apologetic).
  • “Put paid” is now “Put an end”.
  • “Taking the piss”, which had already been toned down to “taking the mickey” by an oversensitive copy editor, is now “frankly absurd”.
  • “Well hard”, a comment about Emperor Penguins’ ability to live and breed on the open ice throughout the Antarctic winter, has become “pretty badass”.
And finally:

  • “...approximately one Saint Kitts and Nevis less than the London Borough of Croydon” is now “approximately three Dominicas less than the New York borough of Staten Island”.
Please update your records accordingly.
 

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have you had the discussion about how he can't actually resign his seat?

also, I don't want binface (who apparently is one of the script writers for HIGNFY) I want the dude in the dolphin suit who beat him a few years ago
 
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Count Binface... you're confusing his excellency with Lord Buckethead.
I am being super immature here, but I can't stop giggling behind my hand at these two highly unusual surnames. Please forgive me if you can.
 

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I am being super immature here, but I can't stop giggling behind my hand at these two highly unusual surnames. Please forgive me if you can.
/me wonders if Lord Bucketheads wife would say the name is pronounced "Boo-kay-head"
 

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have you had the discussion about how he can't actually resign his seat?

also, I don't want binface (who apparently is one of the script writers for HIGNFY) I want the dude in the dolphin suit who beat him a few years ago
Clarification for non-UK readers.

MPs can't, in fact, resign their seats. They have to disqualify themselves by taking "an office of profit under the crown"

This they do by asking the Chancellor of the Exchequer to appoint them to one of two nominal jobs


(This is roughly equivalent, I think, to members of Congress having to resign by asking the US Treasury Secretary to appoint them to a job like "Deputy Keeper of the Presidential Inkstand, an office of trust under the federal government," with the appointment duly recorded in the Congressional Record).

Rachel Reeves, the UK's Chancellor of the Exchequer, has obliged